WW8: Madness in Outer Space (game thread - players only)

[Lewwyn]

From those still living we have only Catwalk and Lewwyn with their power not used. Are you SCUM.

@Lewwyn Nice try to deflect.

Not scum. I don't have a day power. I've stated it before. Not sure how I'm deflecting. What am I deflecting?

[Catwalk]

Wow, lots of information to dig through here. As I see it, the main question is this:
Either there are two village vigilantes or one scum and one villager. If there are two village vigilantes, the protective wounds mean nothing at all. Scum cannot take advantage of wounds in any way, and vigilantes would not use the vig shots on someone with protective wounds.

Contrasting this is the scenario with one scum vigilante and one villager vigilante. In this scenario, the villager vigilante has nothing useful to do with his power. He will never go for someone who was wounded through a protective action. HOWEVER: He might go for the target picked by his fellow vigilante. He'd have good reason to believe the other vigilante was also a villager, and it'd be a way for him to use his power on someone not proven innocent.

I think both of these are illogical, but the second one makes most sense to me. I don't think it's damning evidence though, so I'll hold off on Sareln for now.

Given all this abilities I do wonder about the night-action roleblock claim from Lewwyn. The only night actions we do know about are villager-actions. (Injeras serenade and novices hiding) So what sense does this roleblocking make?

I don't believe Lewwyn's claim that he can prevent a night kill with the role blocker ability. Role blockers cannot normally do this (correct me if I'm wrong), last game was different from the norm in that regard. I also still believe Lewwyn was faking his drunk post, it's overdone.

Well, as long as we're speculating on the setup and looking at the 2 half-vigilantes and 1 healer and wondering how likely it is for village to kill scum: Scum can have abilities that damage themselves too.

Only if I'm scum who lied about my protective ability. I cannot prove my ability, that's why I did my best to claim it at a point where I felt there was a better chance of it being believed.

Hmm can't sleep.

I volunteer. If Catwalk wants to kill me in the night by "protecting me" and wounding me, he can then.

If you really believed that was the case, you wouldn't volunteer. You'd immediately suggest that I volunteer, since I'm the only one it'd be 100% harmless on.

I see strong reasons to vote for Lewwyn, and I don't see anyone else who is suspicious enough to compete. I still mildly suspect uberfish, Sareln and Rowain, but Lewwyn is a superior choice based on the evidence available IMO. I'll go so far as to suggest that the only reason you shouldn't vote for Lewwyn would be if you feel confident that I'm scum. Cast your vote for either of us, and let's see who'll jump the wagon on me.

[Lewwyn]

Okay so i just went through this whole thing in my head. First off there are 6 people, but we need 4 votes to lynch. This situation ONLY occurred because Erebus used his hide ability which takes him out of the equation. He was ONLY allowed to use this ability when there were at least 7 people left. Why? Because there are two scum and only two scum. If there were 5 people left and Erebus used the ability then we'd be left with 2 scum 2 town. 7 is the last viable number for that skill given 2 scum. 3 is right out.

Okay knowing this we need 4 to lynch and that will likely be the 4 villagers. Scum will want to avoid voting for each other in this situation at first and only vote for each other if it becomes necessary later in the day. I would think it'd be preferable to try and get two villagers on the block to harangue about. So really we need to be looking at pairs. Who will or won't vote for each other right now.

Catwalk is easily voting for me as I am probably the easiest villager to lynch at this point. Of course this assumes he's scum.

Novice and Uber are both voting for Rowain. If Rowain is village this could force him to vote for me successfully getting the 2 villagers on the block for scum. If he's scum I assume he'll vote for me soon enough, but A) would rather not vote with his scum partner (again hypothetical) or B) has had enough time to ease his way into voting for me (read the last 10ish posts they've been increasingly pointing towards without actually voting laying groundwork).

If Either Novice or Uber are Scum partnered with Catwalk then again they've done well setting up the two village situation. Whats interesting to me is that both of them were part of the Bob lynch. If you go back and look it is ALL innocents on catwalk. Serdoa, Erebus, Bob and I was previously on Catwalk as well. 4 Innocents (3 confirmed including me and 1 (erebus) IMO). That means the scum pair was on Bob. They probably would have liked to avoid going together, and Catwalk definitely joined the Bob wagon after Uber Rowain and Novice for self preservation.

My thoughts then are that Catwalk is paired with one of those 3 (Rowain, Uber or Novice). Of those I think novice is most likely innocent. The question becomes, is Rowain the partner or is it Uber. if its Uber and he's just hopping on behind Novice then we have a problem. If its Rowain then we'll be fine to lynch him.

Given this I think the best course of action would be to lynch Catwalk and then allow me to roleblock tonight to see which of the two is the partner.

[Catwalk]

- Hey Catwalk?
- Yeah?
- I have a message from your wife, said Sareln, giving Catwalk a vicious kick in the nuts.
- That was uncalled for, groaned Catwalk (whose gait would be unlikely to improve after this), rolling on the floor.
- Technically not.

Catwalk is now wounded. He was kicked by Sareln.

This was just mean I really hope Sareln is scum now :neenernee

[Lewwyn]

This was just mean I really hope Sareln is scum now :neenernee

It's obvious he's not since that would be game breaking to allow scum the ability to kill a wounded player that HE KNOWS is village since he has the cheat sheet and end the day without a lynch (which is what Winston's punch does.)

[Lewwyn]

Oh and Holy Crossposts Catman.

You pushing th ewagon on me is exactly what I would expect. You want to get that post down before you have your scum partner join you in voting for me. It has to come from you since you're already on me. It can't come from your partner since that would be too revealing.

[Lewwyn]

Also this is weak:

I don't believe Lewwyn's claim that he can prevent a night kill with the role blocker ability. Role blockers cannot normally do this (correct me if I'm wrong), last game was different from the norm in that regard. I also still believe Lewwyn was faking his drunk post, it's overdone.

It took me moments to find precedent from last game:

Village Role-blocker: The roleblocker submits to me by e-mail or PM one name during the night. That player's role, if any, does not work for the night or the following day. No one will be informed if they're blocked, except that they may not see the results they expect in the morning. If the roleblocker happens to choose the wolf selected to perform the kill, the kill does not happen. The roleblocker may block the void wolf - if this happens, the void wolf's power does not work for that night. If they block each other, nothing happens.

I realize this is from the last game, and you can say whatever you like about the roles of last game being different, but all I can tell you is that YES IF I ROLEBLOCK THE SCUM PERFORMING THE KILL I CAN PREVENT THE KILL!

[Catwalk]

It's obvious he's not since that would be game breaking to allow scum the ability to kill a wounded player that HE KNOWS is village since he has the cheat sheet and end the day without a lynch (which is what Winston's punch does.)

It's not obvious at all. I think the counter argument is much stronger than the fact that the scum vig can kill someone. Don't forget that you pretty much hang yourself as scum if you do this, and it requires the protective ability to first be used succesfully (or the villager vig used foolishly). So at best it just makes up for a lost night kill, at the cost of a scum.

Whereas if there's nothing scum can do to wounded players, those wounds mean nothing whatsoever. That's too big a hole. I'm feeling very confident that you and Sareln are both scum (possibly one of you possessed, as Rowain theorized). Why did you fake the drunk post? If you come up with a really good explanation for that, I might reconsider my vote on you.

[Catwalk]

Also this is weak:



It took me moments to find precedent from last game:



I realize this is from the last game, and you can say whatever you like about the roles of last game being different, but all I can tell you is that YES IF I ROLEBLOCK THE SCUM PERFORMING THE KILL I CAN PREVENT THE KILL!

You yelling at me and telling me I'm wrong because I'm wrong is resoundingly unconvincing

[Lewwyn]

It's not obvious at all. I think the counter argument is much stronger than the fact that the scum vig can kill someone. Don't forget that you pretty much hang yourself as scum if you do this, and it requires the protective ability to first be used succesfully (or the villager vig used foolishly). So at best it just makes up for a lost night kill, at the cost of a scum.

Whereas if there's nothing scum can do to wounded players, those wounds mean nothing whatsoever. That's too big a hole. I'm feeling very confident that you and Sareln are both scum (possibly one of you possessed, as Rowain theorized). Why did you fake the drunk post? If you come up with a really good explanation for that, I might reconsider my vote on you.

I hate talking to scum.

I was not faking it. I went out with friends to a meet and greet. I had two beers on an empty stomach. We went to dinner I had a nother two beers at dinner. I asked people to go out drinking with me and no one wanted to. My wife recently took a new job in which she works late hours and usually comes home between 8pm and midnight. She told me I she would be back around 11. I got another beer at home fired up the computer and started posting because I was depressed and lonely and bored and wanted someone (even scum) to talk to. Sometimes I get drunk and I post. I don't do it that often because I get hangovers easily and don't drink often, but it happens. I was not faking it. Stop trying to twist something that is simply my sad attempt and trying to distract myself from being lonely.