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Hi guys, I heard you are the best in here when it comes to civ4 pitboss and I come to check this myself :neenernee

So much for now. Hope to see you around and play a game or two soon smile
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Welcome. smile
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Indeed, and we also run lots of PBEMs as you can see (where the main difference with pitboss is lower player counts, as well as even higher levels of planning and optimization). I wouldn't say we've figured how to play the best yet, but we do have easily the best-reported multiplayer CIV games of anywhere. smile

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Edit: And we currently also have the most unreliable forum host! wink
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I dont know about PBEMs - isnt this way of playing allow for massive cheating with RND odds? Never played one. Is it good at all?
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2metraninja Wrote:I dont know about PBEMs - isnt this way of playing allow for massive cheating with RND odds? Never played one. Is it good at all?

Well the entire premise of this forum is an honor system. We play with spoiler threads so if someone wanted to cheat they could just read their opponents threads. Thus reload cheating is sort of also on the honor system.

I prefer PBEMs to Pitboss for the sequential turns. So yes, its good.

Welcome.
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Yeah, honor is nice. I like honor and I know my own honor, but I dont know all the guys I will play with smile Not saying here have any cheaters or something.

My doubts about PBEMs are based on the only 2 cases I've been in touch with it - 1 time a friend of mine asked me for advice on how to proceed with a PBEM he was playing in. After seeing the situation, I gave him advice and after he said he lost the battle, I knew his opponent had cheated. He needed luck like 1:20 to win and he still won.

The other case was with a spoiler from this site. The guy attacked at some odds a normal player would never take the chance. He won the first 2-3 battles at 30-35% and then the rest 3-4 at about 50%. Which to me seems absurd smile I cant be sure of anything, but prefer not to have such constant bad luck against me. As to a good general, luck is important smile

Other thing that is repulsing me from PBEMs is the whole "receive mail - download the save - play the game - attach the save - send the mail" thing tiresome. Also, how long a normal PBEM takes? Isnt it much slower than the a pitboss?
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2metraninja Wrote:My doubts about PBEMs are based on the only 2 cases I've been in touch with it - 1 time a friend of mine asked me for advice on how to proceed with a PBEM he was playing in. After seeing the situation, I gave him advice and after he said he lost the battle, I knew his opponent had cheated. He needed luck like 1:20 to win and he still won.

So you weren't actually playing and you don't know for sure what your friend's opponent did. Not a reliable case to me.

2metraninja Wrote:The other case was with a spoiler from this site. The guy attacked at some odds a normal player would never take the chance. He won the first 2-3 battles at 30-35% and then the rest 3-4 at about 50%. Which to me seems absurd smile I cant be sure of anything, but prefer not to have such constant bad luck against me. As to a good general, luck is important smile

Dunno whose PBEM you're talking about, but people can get lucky, I mean its part of the game. I attack at bad odds sometimes and win, sometimes lose. Again its hard to be clear when you're not talking about specifics, but we have not had a real issue with it in any games that I'm aware of.

2metraninja Wrote:Other thing that is repulsing me from PBEMs is the whole "receive mail - download the save - play the game - attach the save - send the mail" thing tiresome. Also, how long a normal PBEM takes? Isnt it much slower than the a pitboss?

1 turn a day usually if everyone sets their time zones and plays in their slot. Some Pbems can get 2turns a day. Some take longer. Often the overall time varies between 9 months and a year. I don't find the download save very inconvenient. Takes me seconds.

I mean you're free to like what you want. Pitboss gets annoying with double moves and such. We set up rules and it still gets bogged down with lawyering. I prefer not to have to deal with that most of the time. PBEMs are easier to set up and don't require a dedicated server. We have many more PBEMs than Pitbosses because of this and almost all of tem run smoothly. But, you know I'm playing in Pitbosses and PBEMs.

Look, the people who play on this site are adults. We take pride in our honor and accusations are not made lightly. We don't even talk about it because its accepted that established players on this site will not cheat. Talking about it is actually kind of insulting from my perspective. And there's the perspective that if you're worried about someone cheating it's probably because you're cheating yourself. The culture is about respect. If you don't trust us, don't play.
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Hey, what did I said? Calm down, I am not here to offend people, but to have fun and challenge playing the game which we all share passion about.

Quote:I mean you're free to like what you want.
Sure I am. I had an opinion about PBEMs, but never I though it is 100% right and that's why I do ask - to have a new opinion or changed one, as I may be overlooking something good and worthy.

Quote:Look, the people who play on this site are adults. We take pride in our honor and accusations are not made lightly. We don't even talk about it because its accepted that established players on this site will not cheat. Talking about it is actually kind of insulting from my perspective.
I'm sorry if you felt bad from anything I said, it was not intended. smile Or someone else. I will just say yes - you dont talk about cheating, but cheating do exists. I have met players (well established, respected and actually very nice guys when chatting and so on), who cheat. And not only in a minor 1vs1 game (if there is such thing like minor game, as each and every game deserves to be played well, if not for yourself, then for the other guys investing time and efforts in the game), but in a nice 6 teams demo-game, which involves more than 100 players participating in the teams. I wont say his nick, as this is not my goal to impose him, but this guy was the turnplayer for an enemy team and he cheated. Shenanigans as you call it, but he did loged again after us in the pitboss (the rules allow anyone to log in and look, but not touch anything if it is not their turn) and he was used to move units to react to our moves. We finally caught him with screenshots which we sent to the admins who deleted the offending units, but he still refused to be cheating - he started to call the admins chickens, to call us cheaters - that we photoshopped the proofs and so on absurds. And this is from absolutely nice and till then reliable many-years player who is still active and do plays in other games and so on... So, yes, cheating do exists. Sad, but true smile

If I come in new town and ask some local people is it safe to leave my car on the street during the night, I am not trying to insult them or call them burglars, I am only trying to conform and adapt to the place smile

Quote:And there's the perspective that if you're worried about someone cheating it's probably because you're cheating yourself.
I knew you will say this. But have you looked it from another perspective? That I do hate cheaters so much, that I would never play in a game where cheating is possibility? If I was cheater myself, wouldnt it be far more logical and actually very fitting to my goals to actually do play PBEMs, as it will allow me to cheat at will?

I was thinking all this to be a PM to you to not flood the thread, which is supposed to give newcomers first glance, but then I though that some others can be insulted from what I said too and they need to read my explanation. Also if I did not said anything, then someone could decide I am indeed used to cheating myself.

Peace and love, brother. It is only a game. smile

Thanks a lot for the explanation about the pace of the PBEMs - I might consider trying out one.
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Oh. Hey 2metra! Welcome here!

FYI: PBEMs are much faster than the pitboss games I've been in, at least the one I'm in now.
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2metraninja Wrote:Peace and love, brother. It is only a game. smile

Thanks a lot for the explanation about the pace of the PBEMs - I might consider trying out one.

Aye, I easily rile up, you can see it in pretty much all the games I participate in. rolleye I didn't mean to get so heated, but as I was writing it I started to do my thing. For me it was simply that the first thing you asked was about cheating at our site and I tend to take things personally, get emotional. Knew it when I wrote it, but left it. Now you know exactly how I feel though. alright

I hope you do join! I probably won't get a chance to play you until after I've finished off a few since I'm in a lot. You'll have to stick around.
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