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Civ V expansion announced

I don't really see Thoth talking about how all the players think game is shit. In fact, he is only talking about himself. He is saying that to him Civ5 is terrible game. Therefore no matter how many people praise the aforementioned game his reality of 'Civ5 sucks' is unaltered, and it is his right to badmouth the game based upon that. The debate is whether one should tone down constant criticism of Civ5, so this is hardly a right avenue of counter-argument.
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Brian Shanahan Wrote:I think you're confusing objective assessment for subjective opinion.

How comes you think Thoth's opinion is objective assessment while those that like Civ5 get lumped together with Hitler-voters?

Apparently Firaxis thinks that enough people play and would pay for an expansion to make it worth to produce it. Somehow I doubt they would do this work for 11k wink
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:zzz:
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Rowain Wrote:How comes you think Thoth's opinion is objective assessment while those that like Civ5 get lumped together with Hitler-voters?

1st part:
1) Civ 5 was badly designed, it tried to shoehorn a tactical sim game engine onto a strategic sim board, being the most prominent of the stupid design decisions made.
2) It was badly flawed in terms of usability. There were massive amounts of bugs; the game was hard to run even on top end machines, despite being less detailed in quality than other games; it was seemingly (and partly) made to test an untested piece of software (DX11 was barely used before it came out), et cetera.
3) It was badly balanced. Many patches were put out simply to either nerf strategies that were too powerful or to stop players from doing something the designers didn't want them to, but were too stupid to be able to code in.
4) It was badly tested, 1) & 3) would never have gotten through if the game were tested properly, and it has been asserted a number of times (by people who'd have the ability to know) that testers were badly picked, usually chosen because they liked the design team personally or were not strong enough to speak out over overlooked problems.

2nd part:
You didn't get the point of my analogy. I was not comparing those who like Civ 5 to Hitler-voters, I was just showing that people who are part of a large crowd (or even a majority) can often be wrong in their ideas or choices. Picking Nazi-era Germany was just the easiest choice.
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Brian Shanahan Wrote:Picking Nazi-era Germany was just the easiest choice.

Godwin's Law! thumbsup
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You know Civ4 also had crave balance-problems right from the start and that was tested by expert people wink

Don't get me wrong I do think that Civ 4 was/is superior to Civ5 but there is no denying that there are obviously enough people playing and enjoying Civ5 that it is worth for Firaxis to make an expansion.

PS that a part of people can be wrong is neither new nor surprising which makes your Nazi-comparison what it is: an idiocity trying to blackname those that don't agree with you.
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Rowain Wrote:PS that a part of people can be wrong is neither new nor surprising which makes your Nazi-comparison what it is: an idiocity trying to blackname those that don't agree with you.

You just don't want to understand do you? Read my posts, before going into high do when you see Nazi.
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Quote:You just don't want to understand do you? Read my posts, before going into high do when you see Nazi.

Using Nazis rather than a less emotionally evocative example does seem misguided. The amount of context and feeling generated by Nazi imagery is always going to cloud the issue if they're brought up as an example.

I would say that unless it is particularly apposite, it is worth taking a little more time to think of a less heated example. Your argument will be the stronger for for it, and there is less chance of tangential redirects.
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Thank god Seinfeld didn't follow your advice wink.

Darrell
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Quote:Thank god Seinfeld didn't follow your advice

Seinfeld was trying to get people to laugh, not agree with him. Provoking an emotional response is fine in comedy. Less good in rational even tempered debate.
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