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antisocialmunky Wrote:@LP, do you want to negotiate on a border agreement up there and NAP? Sure. As a first point, we should probably finish off poor TT as soon as possible so as not to drag things out for him.
Otherwise, fine with a vertical line 2E of your super-duper-Gold-city, and no interfering with BFC's. Tebow can be the one exception for whoever takes it. Also no pillaging, whether inside territory or in neutral territory. And keep units on our respective sides of the vertical line + 2 tiles away from borders where possible to avoid misunderstandings.
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Full chat, I decided to initiate chat in GChat since real time negotiating is better.
Quote:me: end ur turn
Sent at 8:14 PM on Thursday
LP: connection problem earlier, trying again...
Sent at 8:24 PM on Thursday
me: speaking of epic mistakes...
LP: ?
me: misclick in PB7
hit my keyboard iwth my mouse
moved some guard units
oh well I justh ave to log in nad play early next turn :| TT is contagious
LP: heh, ironically I made a small one too
it's a disease!
me: I'm sure
anyway, you want ot negotiate some sort of mutual settlement agreement
I posted that in the diplothread so I'll just copy htis message there if you want to
LP: was about to reply there, so will just do so
me: its simpler to do it in chat unless of course you are refusing
LP: no, fine with that
me: Well I was just going to propose using the river as a border
Sent at 8:17 AM on Friday
LP: that would give you tiles inside my borders...
makes more sense to just agree not to interfere with BFC's of cities I think.
me: That's going to be difficult as I'm creative
but I won't settle overlapping BFCs
not that there are many BFCs to worry about
since you burned down his other city
LP: there are some BFC's
me: capitol and Tebow
Sent at 8:24 AM on Friday
LP: the other city was not burned
me: when why do I see the road tile in the fog?
LP: it won't update unless you unfog the tile
me: and what about Tebow
Sent at 8:27 AM on Friday
LP: I'd rather you didn't take that. But if you put the effort in, you can have it.
Sent at 8:28 AM on Friday
LP: in general though, how about a line 2E of your super-duper-city (i.e. you settling anywhere west of that vertical line is fine, and me settling anywhere east is fine)
Tebow can be an exception if you take it before I do (which you may well do, I don't know).
me: Well we are both in the same crappy land boat
which is the reason I was so agressive against TT
that settling line essentially gives me desert
Sent at 8:33 AM on Friday
LP: need I point out that you get 6 flood plains, an oasis, and 2 Gold amongst other things? The land on my side isn't anywhere near that good
With Tebow you get another 3-6 flood plains
me: Assuming I can get Tebow unless you are giving it to me
and I don't get the oasis :P
that's Tebow's
LP: you can with some other city
me: well I'd have to mess with your BFC
unless you're dropping that
LP: I won't give you Tebow, but if you take it before I do it's yours
Tebow is okay as the one exception
me: for bfc violation
Sent at 8:36 AM on Friday
LP: yeah
me: And what about the area by the copper and corn, I had a settle on the way to that
I assume you'd want that off limits
LP: that's in the BFC of an existing city, yes
Sent at 8:38 AM on Friday
me: Sigh, okay that's fine. TT caught me off guard at imploding so quickly
just leave my crap alone I sitll have some stuff around Tebow
LP: can't say I was expecting it to be quite so easy either
me: what happened to his spear
he was chasing me with it like an idiot
I take it that was like 2 turns away form his capitol right?
LP: dunno
Sent at 8:42 AM on Friday
me: well so we agree no BFC overlapping except Tebow if you get it
and a general NAP for units operating in the area
cuz it would be rather iritating if we started killing each other's stuff
instead of improving our own stuff
LP: sure... best to just keep on our side of the vertical line to ensure no misunderstandings
me: well like I said
I currently have stuff around Tebow
also no pillaging of tiles in TT land
since I'd image you'd be unhappy if I started killing his tiles
*imagine
LP: as long as it's not within 2-3 tiles of my cities I don't mind
yeah, no pillaging of tiles... TT owned or neutral...
Sent at 8:47 AM on Friday
me: alright that sounds fine by me
LP: ok, summed it up here I think: http://www.realmsbeyond.net/forums/showt...post222858
anything missing, let me know
me: your phrasing of this is different:
as long as it's not within 2-3 tiles of my cities I don't mind
lets just limit that to units have to be on or on the correct side of the border and 2 tiles away from borders
LP: fixed
me: okay
LP: lazy wording sorry
me: no worries
I'm posting this chat
since the lurkers will get angry otherwise
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To clarify, it would have taken about 10x as long (and been very spammy) to have that conversation in the forum, so doing it in chat and then posting it publicly is a time-saving compromise.
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antisocialmunky Wrote:Full chat, I decided to initiate chat in GChat since real time negotiating is better.
No, just no. All diplo has to be done in this thread. I don't give a shit if you tell us about it afterwards. This is a serious fucking fault. Diplo should be done only in this fucking thread. Goddamn it. Of course negotiating in real time is better! That's why its not allowed!!! You have to do it in thread post by post careful about who else is going to real it. This is fucking bullshit. You can't go off in a corner and feel free to negotiate something in real time. Do it in the thread or not at all. Your totally fucking with the spirit of the game. I seriously will quit if this is done again. I don't give a fucking shit that you tell us about it afterwards. Assholes. Just Assholes.
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Lord Parkin Wrote:To clarify, it would have taken about 10x as long (and been very spammy) to have that conversation in the forum, so doing it in chat and then posting it publicly is a time-saving compromise.
GOdamnit the whole idea is that we should be able to see each post as its made and if anyone wants to interrupt your diplo or add some kind of counter offer than they can simply injerect. Again if you go off alone and hash something out its outside of the game sphere and completely ruins the equilibrium. NO! NO! NO! Follow the goddamn rules! You were called out on this before and you just go ahead and do it again. Seriously What the fuck!
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Lol. I don't get what's the difference. Do you really want it to take several turns to hash this crap out? You can see all of it right there.
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What counter offer there's no one else around here. Seriously, are you going to give him a friggin NAP to not give me an NAP?
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Lewwyn please tone the hostility down. I agree your main point. So I'll repeat myself. This is primarily AW game. Diplo isn't supposed to be easy. Out of game chatting concerning the should be held in minimum. Main problem to me is that every chat you held concerning this game will bond you tighter to your partner and makes it harder to play like you should play in AW game.
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I'll take a NAP with you Lewwyn. 
For the record, that post I made was the one I was originally writing back to ASM. He messaged me after I'd started writing it to convince me to work out the details quickly rather than spamming back and forth in the thread for an hour.
For the purpose of the readers, it certainly seems neater to compile it into one post rather than wasting everyone else's time (and ours) spamming.
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With this logic you could chat and plan a coordinated attack against someone and post the chat afterwards in here for everyone to see it. I know that's not the case in here, but let's just stick with the rules, ok?
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