waterbat Wrote:( i;ll *try* to limit my newb questions to one per post, to help with the spam )
Now we're talking!!!!!
As for whether or not that's an early or late 2nd settler, it seems like it's fairly average. We're not IMP, and this IS normal. I'd have to check some of the other games to see better metrics.
(But of course, if I do that, I'll post my findings in a separate post )
So I looked at PB7 which is probably the most comparable game to this as it's also a PB game with "random" resources, and on normal speed, but then I realized that I couldn't really post when the 2nd cities were founded in that game without making it into a spoiler that my teammate couldn't read
I know that Pindicator is doing some C&D in that game, so maybe he also has tracked that information, in which case he could post it (though in spoiler links in case someone else from PB7 comes rolling along)
So I went through my notes on when I think people founded cities (which are not exhaustive) ...
pb7 spoiler
The 2nd city was planted a range from turns 31 - 55. Average is turn 39/40. I counted mackseven's conquest of Azza as their "2nd" city, since even though they didn't build a settler they did gain city #2 with considerable investment. Of course, I'm not paying the closest attention (cut me some slack; there are 16 people to track!) so it's very possible I've missed someone's city here or there.
As for whether or not that's an early or late 2nd settler, it seems like it's fairly average. We're not IMP, and this IS normal. I'd have to check some of the other games to see better metrics.
(But of course, if I do that, I'll post my findings in a separate post )
My personal opinion is that, with a lush map, I aim for 3 cities by turn 30. That's just a guideline I like to use. I'd consider that a rather lush start!
If you want rego, if you send your sandbox, I'd be happy to have a little play with it tomoro evening? Im too inactive to be considered a useful ded-lurker but I won't read any other threads and am happy to atleast talk through stuff (especially if you catch me on gmail).
I'm not sure how useful PB7 is for comparison. I do not intend for this to be offensive but none of the 'top tier' players in that game got nice starts. There are also a lot of people in that game that would fall in the bottom of your tier system. (also, I think cyne is in the right tiering. His civ knowledge is excellent but his results have been disappointing in my view).
Kyan Wrote:My personal opinion is that, with a lush map, I aim for 3 cities by turn 30. That's just a guideline I like to use. I'd consider that a rather lush start!
If you want rego, if you send your sandbox, I'd be happy to have a little play with it tomoro evening? Im too inactive to be considered a useful ded-lurker but I won't read any other threads and am happy to atleast talk through stuff (especially if you catch me on gmail).
No prob Kyan. The sandbox should be linked upthread.
3 cities on T30 on Normal speed? That seems aggressive to me. I mean it's going to be 12t just waiting for our (EXP-boosted) worker to bulid
Plus, this isn't necessarily a lush map - it's just random. Our start isn't awful but it's not super awesome at least IMO
I think Kyan is talking quick speed. So 3 cities by turn 45 would be "translating to normal speed", which is pretty much what we're in line with if we build a 3rd settler at the end of your sim.
We could be on an island; if so we may not want to build a third city so soon. I kind of hope we're on an island. Talk about free reign to wonder-whore in the early game.
Rego, I'm having a hard time beating your run through; I haven't tried whipping yet
pindicator Wrote:I think Kyan is talking quick speed. So 3 cities by turn 45 would be "translating to normal speed", which is pretty much what we're in line with if we build a 3rd settler at the end of your sim.
We could be on an island; if so we may not want to build a third city so soon. I kind of hope we're on an island. Talk about free reign to wonder-whore in the early game.
Rego, I'm having a hard time beating your run through; I haven't tried whipping yet
Yeah that sounds about right. I think we can definitely settle a few turns earlier - maybe 2nd city T36? I also thought about possibly being on an island. Guess we'll see....
The other thing we / I need to get straight is the begging / forced peace mechanics. Like if I demand 1g from someone does that lock us into 10t peace? Or the other way around? Or neither?
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