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[SPOILERS - PBEM29] spacetyrantxenu - Mao of Babylon
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Welp, looks like the cities are taking a break from army building for wealth building. Awesome updates!
If only you and me and dead people know hex, then only deaf people know hex.
I write RPG adventures, and blog about it, check it out. Catwalk Wrote:I might be easing into the game again, I've resumed dedlurking slowcheetah and might have time to become fully involved now that I'm done with the paper that's been killing me last 3 weeks. If he'll still have me, that is Hope you're all having a blast! Hmmm...is there a graph that can show a higher rate of increase during a state of dogpile than an already vertical line? I hadn't accounted for adding another teammate (who chats a LOT) to the graph in the previous post. 
Played: Pitboss 18 - Kublai Khan of Germany Somalia | Pitboss 11 - De Gaulle of Byzantium | Pitboss 8 - Churchill of Portugal | PB7 - Mao of Native America | PBEM29 Greens - Mao of Babylon
I took a quick peek in game. Dazed has moved two Immortals up NE of the gems site and an additional warrior, this to go with the archer already on the hill. It appears he does not intend to back down. This is why I wanted our units on the hill this turn as our settler would be able to be in place now.
 Probably it is best to slow the approach of the settler for 2T to allow our trailing axe/spear combo to get into place. However, Slowcheetah now has two workers in place on the jungle just south of the rice tile, indicating he is on his way to this location as well. I would hate to lose this site by one turn, but I would also prefer not to antagonize Slowcheetah further, because unlike Dazed, he can actually do something about our site. He is good on tech and now has the production base to form up a good attacking army with maces. After all the bluster with Dazed, it may be more prudent to cede this to Slowcheetah, if we can get some sort of concession. Anything will do. As is, we need to tech fast and this city will need lots of worker turns to get up to scratch. Our maintenance costs are really hurting us for now, and with Sheep, Crabs, and the one other city founding now, perhaps this one is a bit of a reach economically, as well as militarily. We could easily turn this settle around to the fish/incense location, build a boat in Ron Paul, and have it moving quickly. I'd certainly prefer the jungle spot, but it may cost us the game because of Dazed's intransigence.
I'm not worried about us being attacked. We kind of hold the cards here. There can be no effective dogpile without us on board, since anyone who commits to attacking Sian without our support only exposes their flank for us to rip open. Also, if they attack us to wipe this new city off the map, that act pretty much rules us out from cooperating and they can hand the game to Sian without an effectively coordinated opposition. So yeah, I'm willing to exploit the game situation to get this site. Besides, we only have Slowcheetah to worry about, Dazed says he isn't going to attack us and I don't think he would be that direct if he was going to deceive us (translation: I don't think Dazed is a liar).
Chat from last night: I highlighted the few things that seemed relevant. Anyway, I say we plant that city. If Slowcheetah wants to hand the game to Sian, after all.... Isn't it nice to be needed? Played: Pitboss 18 - Kublai Khan of Germany Somalia | Pitboss 11 - De Gaulle of Byzantium | Pitboss 8 - Churchill of Portugal | PB7 - Mao of Native America | PBEM29 Greens - Mao of Babylon
T97
Sian remembered to cancel the GPT deal. Kitties get a GE (Marconi), Sian a GA (Hugo) We founded Rudy Giuliani (gems site), Fred Thompson (island spices), and Dan Quayle (filler to form border with Dazed) this turn. T99 we'll settle the sheep/clams site in the north. Spread Hindu into Rudy. All three starting on granaries. Finished Monarchy, overflow into Feudalism. Whipped the forge in Pawlenty (stone city). Courthouse next. I think I whipped the forge in Romney too. Hindu misionary on the way to Huntsman, will spread next turn so Santorum can order up another.
T98
Quick turn this time. Borders popped in McCain, Huckabee, Johnson. Forges completed in Huntsman, Bachman. Hinduism spreads in Huntsman and Paul. Paul whipped WB (extra coastal) to get 1T overflow for Hindu missionary to spread in Cain. Trying to get these spreads done ASAP. Santorum's Hindu to Thomson, can spread next turn by landing boat in city. Santorum's next Hindu to Romney, then to Pawlenty. Paul may make another to go to Perry (shorter distance). Sheep/clams founds next turn, workers will be in position to pasture sheep. Send a missionary up here asap for 1T chops to get bonus 25%. Dazed sent an email stating he's not pleased about our Gems founding. He thought you had an agreement to settle on the rice, but on your last played turn, T96, you went ahead and put the settler on the Gems rather than founding that turn on the rice, so I assumed the Gems founding was correct. He's not fighting us, so it doesn't matter. If it rolls around again tonight, you should play.
The only time that I ever "agreed" to settle the rice instead of the gems was in our first negotiation about it, and I didn't agree to anything in that chat, I told him I'd confer with you about it. You told me it would be stupid to settle the rice as that would leave our front with Dazed exposed. Since that chat I never agreed to anything that would let me not settle the gems. If he had that impression then my diplomacy must have been good because I certainly never said it or confirmed that I would not be settling the gems.
In any case, whip walls in there when we get a chance. NAP or not, I'm not playing around with front cities against Dazed. I can see trouble coming from him eventually. Played: Pitboss 18 - Kublai Khan of Germany Somalia | Pitboss 11 - De Gaulle of Byzantium | Pitboss 8 - Churchill of Portugal | PB7 - Mao of Native America | PBEM29 Greens - Mao of Babylon
I think we could generate some good will with Dazed and Kitties by declaring on Sian. We would want support from them, of course, but Sian could only attack us on our islands. In the north, Sian has a HA north of Bob Dole, but we have an extra Bowman on that island. Simply upgrading one to a LB would give us great odds vs. that HA, and we can reinforce (which we should probably do anyway now that we have LBs). Same for the southern island. The only city in any danger would be Gary Johnson, but it is also defensible. We could approach Sian's Mansa Musa via forests as it currently stands. With so many peaks in Gary Johnson, it is going to need whipping soon to stay on a good growth/production cycle. We can get military from here.
We could ask for a DMZ from Dazed/Catwalk, or, move some of our forces into Catwalk's Too Much Civ. Once borders pop in Rudy, we can't be one moved by a broken treaty, and our forces would vacate his city anyway on declaration. This would send a message to Sian that he needs to play defense, but he would not be able to reach us easily to go on the offensive. Conversely, we could go on the attack any time we want with OB favoring our troop movement from inside Catwalk's territory. This also would probably cause Sian to go ahead and drag them into the war, pushing the brunt on them more than on us, simply from proximity.  I know economically the best thing to do is to tech and build, but we'll have to fight the leader, and sooner is better. Also, this will rebuild some trust with Dazed/Catwalk, who do feel a bit put off by our diplo good cop, bad cop routine (you know Dazed does have a valid point with that complaint). We've done a lot of taking, not a lot of giving lately. I support all of our decisions in diplo, but giving a bit back could help us later, particularly with Dazed if we need to go after Kitties after taking Sian down a peg or two. Thoughts?
T99
Whipped forge in Gary Johnson, regrowth at EoT after tile micro. Border pop in Bob Dole moved Sian's HA over the mountain so that it can no longer threaten the city. Perfect! Courthouse completed in Newt. Founded Dick Cheney (Crabs/Sheep, city # 17), set to granary. Pasture completes in 2T, after that, will chop granary to completion, then start forge and hope to have religion by the time the chops are due. Hindu spread in Fred Thompson this turn, using the missionary from the galley just entering the city tile this turn. Current missionary was going to Rick Perry, which is now building a barracks, but I decided to send it on to Herman Cain, which will be building infrastructure for much longer. Rick Perry is mostly done now. After Barracks it could build stables, but I think for now I'll have it pump out LBs for our border cities. We should do this from Rick Perry until we can spare a missionary here to then build a stable. Next turn, 2 pop whip Huckabee for the lighthouse (4/2, then start on a courthouse), and 3 pop whip McCain for the forge. This is our best food city long-term and, though it is terrible on production now, we still want the +25% forge boost on production through whips. This site should get double or triple whipped to get the infrastructure we need. McCain is +7 food/turn now, and we don't have calendar for the bananas or the fish hooked up yet! This is going to be a draft beast when we get the Globe. After forge, start courthouse. -14gpt here on maintenance.  Finally, with our four new cities, we're losing out again on trade routes, but it can't be helped. I count four cities where we're using continental trade routes at +2gpt rather than the normal +3 we're seeing elsewhere. Kitties need to plant another city or two somewhere! And, brief chat with Dazed. Trying to rebuild some trust there:
I don't think it's a good idea for us to unilaterally declare war on Sian unless we're unilaterally prepared to accept the consequences. If we're warring in the context of a dogpile, we should all declare at the same time to overwhelm him. If we declare on our own, there remains the possibility that Dazed and Slowcheetah sell us out and leave us to fight for a while on our own.
Quote:dazedroyalty: either you're the best diplo team ever The only way that would be better if is he said AND instead of OR.The whole good cop, bad cop thing is amusing, it was never my intent to run that gambit. I felt more like I was trying the sell a car gambit: I'll make an offer, but I have to check with my manager to see if that low, low price I'm offering is even possible. Well, inevitably, it turns out that we can't sell at a price that low, sorry if you got so excited while waiting that you decided to buy the car in the meantime! If I had planned out a good cop, bad cop routine, it would have been more like bad cop, worse cop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA9ZCWA2iPk So we're probably not the best diplo team ever, but I agree we may be the most annoying. Then again, I'm certain some team of players has pulled much worse shenanigans than we've done in this game. (This is an open invitation to send me a link so I can continue my study)  .
Played: Pitboss 18 - Kublai Khan of Germany Somalia | Pitboss 11 - De Gaulle of Byzantium | Pitboss 8 - Churchill of Portugal | PB7 - Mao of Native America | PBEM29 Greens - Mao of Babylon |
