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Kylearan Wrote:Whether the team wants to prioritize stealing CoL for the GPP points should be up to them. I don't think courthouses are needed so badly in the beginning, as setting the espionage slider to 100% generates enough espionage points to get the game going, IMHO. darrelljs Wrote:I'm game for two events around the same variant, with one team going the slider route and the other team going the Great Spy route. My understanding is that the espionnage slider would be off-table for team B, and that they'd rely instead on specialists and Great Spies. They'd need either the Great Wall or courthouses to get the ball rolling...
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I'd like to play on B. The amendments sounds good.
I wasn't thinking along the lines of Wyatan's interpretation. I thought we were going to be allowed to use the Great Spy bomb to see how much of an unbalance (if any) it is. Then again, I'm probably wrong.
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Swiss Pauli Wrote:Riffing off blid's idea: how about two games? One for the experts w/o the bomb and the other with it, for lesser players like me who could use a crutch or two? Then we can judge whether it's as unbalanced as it seemed from darrell's thread.
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Hi,
Wyatan Wrote:My understanding is that the espionnage slider would be off-table for team B, and that they'd rely instead on specialists and Great Spies. They'd need either the Great Wall or courthouses to get the ball rolling... Ah, now I see what you meant. I understood it differently, that both teams are allowed to use the slider, but one team is not allowed to use the early Great Spy bomb cheese.
I don't have enough experience with all this yet, but I doubt you will be able to win this without the slider, relying only on specialists and great spies. I could be mistaken, though. 
-Kylearan
There are two kinds of fools. One says, "This is old, and therefore good." And one says, "This is new, and therefore better." - John Brunner, The Shockwave Rider
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I think Team B should be allowed to use the slider, just that they are allowed to build the great wall for early spy bomb.
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Ooops...I worded things poorly!
* Team B is definitely allowed to use the slider! I think it would be quite difficult otherwise.
* Code of Laws was allowed for the reason stated, to allow a building that gives Spy specialists. If Team B doesn't feel this is necessary, that's okay  .
* Swiss, you can go with any leader you choose, and any rule changes you want (although Philosophical might give you an edge if you plan to go the Great Wall route).
* Kylearan is right (and Qwack said it earlier but I was too sloppy to notice), we'll have to beeline Alphabet (Worker techs aside).
* Finally, updated teams:
Team A
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Darrell, Qwack, Ozbenno, blid, ?
(I'll list Kylearan as an alternate, if that is okay with him)
Team B
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Swiss Pauli, Kodii, ?, ?, ?
Darrell
P.S. I'll give it 48 hours to fill out the teams, then I think we should post on CFC.
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I think besides the change of Aggressive AI vs. Non-Aggressive AI and the Great Spy bomb, all other settings should stay the same between the two teams. Maybe the same start position too?
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I'd like to play with the hard mode crew, if there's space available
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I'm with you Swiss - Emperor normal AI seems like the best comparison. No need to have three things (difficulty level, AI, and no bomb) easier about the B game.
I'd also like to request Kylearan join us. I don't mind waiting more than 48 hours, and for the next three weeks have basically nothing to do other than sit at my PC, so it shouldn't be difficult to make some on the fly swaps to keep the game moving.
EDIT: I also agree with Kodii - lets use as much similar stuff as possible. I'd like to have the same leader and same start. Really, I'd like to have the same everything except for this Great Wall exploit, so others could see how overpowered it is IMHO. I understand we also want to showcase aggressive AI as well though.
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Yes I agree with Kodii here, same start for comparison purposes would be the the best idea. I think Pacal II should work out well for both games.
If someone who isn't playing in the game can make the necesary changes in worldbuilder (Like agressive AI), that would be great I think.
Teams also look pretty much ready, looks like we have 5 for team A and 4 for Team B.
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Okay, updated roster is:
Team A
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Darrell - Qwack - Ozbenno - blid - uberfish
Team B
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Swiss Pauli - Kodii- sunrise089 - ? - ?
I don't want to list Kylearan just yet, I had PM'd him about joining the SG, and the excuse he gave in his forum post might have been a polite way of saying he wasn't interested .
Any volunteers want to setup the start file?
Darrell
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