--Dogpilers click here-- (PB7 Player Communication Thread)

[spacetyrantxenu]

Yeah, good luck with that.

[Ichabod]

Hey, Sunrise, I kindly ask to leave the city of Nero to me. You can get whatever is south of it (I think there's another city there). After I've done the heavy lifting, this opportunitic attack is unnaceptable.

[sunrise089]

@Ichabod - I think that's a tough compromise. South of Nero is exactly one city with exactly zero resources.

You're right I'm making an opportunistic attack...if by that you mean something I've talked about in my thread for 50t and something that made it attractive for me to sign a NAP with my northern neighbor. Remember, the one that was for said neighbor to "plant some cities." You'll also remember I said nothing publicly when you showed me your stack - had I wanted to I could have given several turns notice about where you were going and made things a lot tougher on your army and probably easier on mine.

That said, I know there is a "might makes right" component. My army was plenty large enough to take what I hoped to conquer, but yours is larger still and you moved in before I did. I'm not going to try to stop or punish you for taking cities you can get to first.

If I'm able to though I'm going to take Nero. If there's any sort of permitted compensation I can pay I'll consider it. Otherwise though I view your actions since signing our NAP as clever but legal and my actions as...(less) clever but (just as) legal. Unfortunately we both just decided it was time to move on the same opportunistic target.

So I guess that means you get to decide where that leaves us. If you want to backstab me because you consider me taking Nero as NAP-breaking...well I'm sure you'll make plako very happy. I've played a pitboss game before though where I've traded away a chance at winning in exchange for having fun. This time I'm not willing to do that, and so asking me to turn my army around and let yours take over is just too much.

[yuris125]

Hi Ichabod! I hope my small Workboat sneaking around is too small of a target Please let it be if you can

[Ichabod]

Hi Ichabod! I hope my small Workboat sneaking around is too small of a target Please let it be if you can

Ok, you may pass. :neenernee

Sunrise, I'm going to think a bit about this and its better if I do it with a coller mind. I'll get to you later...

[Ichabod]

Ok, Sunrise, I thought a bit about it and here's what I can offer you.

You may take Nero, but you have to raze it and resettle it 1S. I'll take Augustus and will resettle it 1SE. This way, we can split the good land between ourselves.

Besides that, we sign a longer NAP and we start treating (even after the NAP ends) the ex-Roman lands as a sort of demilitarized zone, where we won't attack one another initially (say, if you conquer all my other cities, you can attack there, but not before). This way we can focus our defenses where they matter the most.

I think this is a very fair deal for both of us.

[sunrise089]

Ichabod,

I appreciate you trying to find a compromise. My issue with your offer though is that we differ in the value we assign to a new city near Nero. Had Nero been a meh city lightly defended I'd have no objection to the new proposal, but if I conquer and raze the city next turn I'll lose hundreds of hammers to do so, due to the powerful garrison, with only a new city to show for it (and I have to build the settler ).

I really feel Nero is mine if I take it first...we never diplomatically discussed any military issues until you spotted my stack However if you want to swap the terms of the deal you proposed, with Mali razing the city and us both replanting I'd view that as fair.

[Nakor]

Ichabod, Sunrise, there is no good land in Rome. But if you want to fight over it, feel free! Nero does have a nice tower in the water...

[spacetyrantxenu]

@MackSeven: you guys don't have to watch the clock to get your attack in first, I'm out about town today (nice and sunny!) You can take my city apart at you leisure. Nice move with the worker road but you get no bonus points for going first and last every turn of the campaign. For reference, Plako has been more civil with his campaign. He gets my diplo vote for gentleman of the turn timer. You guys are runners up for scoundrel of the turn timer (Parkin wins that vote in a runaway).

Have fun!

[Ichabod]

Ichabod,

I appreciate you trying to find a compromise. My issue with your offer though is that we differ in the value we assign to a new city near Nero. Had Nero been a meh city lightly defended I'd have no objection to the new proposal, but if I conquer and raze the city next turn I'll lose hundreds of hammers to do so, due to the powerful garrison, with only a new city to show for it (and I have to build the settler ).

I really feel Nero is mine if I take it first...we never diplomatically discussed any military issues until you spotted my stack However if you want to swap the terms of the deal you proposed, with Mali razing the city and us both replanting I'd view that as fair.

My problem with the city of Nero standing is that it's going to culturally destroy my newly founded city (between the GLH and it being way more developed). You'd end up with all of Rome's territory and I'd just be left with nothing.

But I'm not going to lose half my army to take it for you. I'm not questioning the legality of your moves, but it doesn't please me at all... Razing the city would at least help me not care that much.

Btw, Yuris you can pass now, my galleys gave you passage.