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T-hawk Wrote:I'm still not convinced on Egypt. The UB is blank except for the narrow case of early religion and shrine. The UU is good but limited, as we've said, spears stop it cold. I'm always the inveterate builder, but I'd look to something with a UB for long term effect, such as Zulu or Mali or England. I'm not nearly as convinced as everyone else that starting techs are such a big discriminator, but then what do I know cause I just play against AIs. wink

I completly agree. Taking Egipt only for starting techs seems weak.
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Hmm, CFC might go with Hannibal...Don't know if I should change my bet.
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Mortius Wrote:I completly agree. Taking Egipt only for starting techs seems weak.
It's done now. But it's hardly only for the starting techs... the UU is incredibly useful whether we use it much or not. Even if we never built a single one (which is highly unlikely), it's great for the metagame - people will think twice before messing with us early on.
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That's assuming we have Horses near our starting position of course. Although since Plako mentioned the starts are similar I'm fairly sure no one will be screwed on strategic resources early on.
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So there are 4 ancient era units (besides warriors). Axes, spears, archers, and chariots.

Axes and chariots only require techs you want ASAP anyway. Spears also require hunting, which often sucks, and archers require that and archery too. Ease of building them assuming you have the necessary resources therefore goes something like axe > chariot > spear > archer. This is incidentally also the order of their effectiveness in countering barbs. You really just want to build axes (highest base strength and can attack barb warriors in any terrain) and/or chariots (high mobility but actual chances of dying in barb combat).

War Chariots own both of those units. We can just build primarily one unit and it counters the heck out of everything that's not a spear. On top of that, it has great mobility and is cheaper than an axe. And no one wants to deal with them because that means researching hunting and building a stupid unit that is mediocre vs barbarians. Not to mention if we find someone without metal (due to slow BW and/or not prioritizing settling it and/or not getting hunting before we can disconnect it) we have a huge advantage over them instead of only a small advantage. (Normal chariots don't get odds against archers in cities, nor of course against other chariots.)

Btw here's a comparison to the best military UU there is:
Cataphract vs normal Knight is +20% strength, loses immunity to first strikes.
War Chariot vs normal Chariot is +25% strength, gains immunity to first strikes.

Now, chariots are certainly a bit more easily countered than knights (pikemen don't have 10 strength!) but WCs get a much bigger boost than you might think just looking at the 1 strength difference. They're great.

Oh and as has been pointed out, it's a good threat to have handy for diplomacy.
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Lord Parkin Wrote:Something weird to note: every single team that has picked a civ so far, aside from us, has chosen a civ that starts with Mysticism. Possibly coincidence, but isn't it odd?
Now there is the type of angle that should be explored as part of the public reporting ... beat that up ... it probably means nothing but who knows once a reporter has got his teeth into it.
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(October 22nd, 2014, 10:52)Caledorn Wrote: And ruff is officially banned from playing in my games as a reward for ruining my big surprise by posting silly and correct theories in the PB18 tech thread.
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Ruff_Hi Wrote:Now there is the type of angle that should be explored as part of the public reporting ... beat that up ... it probably means nothing but who knows once a reporter has got his teeth into it.

Seconded. We can do something humorous with this little factoid. smile
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Say we are "mystified" by it.
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my pick vs. their pick:
Willem of Mali
Willem of Maya

that's about as close to possible to being correct without actually being correct. do i get the points?
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waterbat Wrote:my pick vs. their pick:
Willem of Mali
Willem of Maya

that's about as close to possible to being correct without actually being correct. do i get the points?

You can have some porpoises. They are basically the same thing. tongue
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