WW15 - Chiron is a harsh mistress

[Selrahc]

Selrahc, do you have a source for the passage I bolded? "Caretaker" sounds a lot less evil than "Usurper", to me.

Caretaker and Usurper are both in relation to their use of Planet. Preserve it as the Sixth Manifold, or Usurp the flowering to achieve apotheosis. Neither of them give two hoots abut humanity. "Progenitor Victory" is the standard win condition for aliens(beyond just wiping out humanity the hard way), and involves calling in a vast fleet of alien ships to wipe out the fledgling human colonies and secure the Planet for their purpose. Aliens can't win economic, diplomatic or shared victories, and the Caretakers can't take transcendence either. They can't cooperate with anyone who works with one of their rivals. Alien victory in SMAX always means the extinction of humanity.

[novice]

Are you sure about that novice? I am not. I am not sure the wolf has a save name to claim. Why should he? Who could expect Lewwyn to come forward with that?

Yes I'm sure. Uberfish checked on the balance of the game, and he wouldn't sanction a setup where a mass claim would immediately nail one wolf. It's neither fair nor fun. As for where that leaves Lewwyn's role - I can agree that it leaves it somewhat superfluous but it introduces another discussion point, and it introduces another "power role" in a game where everyone was promised one.

Anyhow, most of us have stated their name already - I wonder why you are for the last 5 against it? Especially in a way that should make you a clear target for the wolves now as it seems you have something valuable to hide.

Right, so I should keep my head down and leave it to someone who appreciates their anonymity even more to speak up?

By the way, are there aliens in the SMAC universe?

This was in response to a post a few posts earlier by Selrahc:

Don't do that. That's just an information black hole, and if you're both innocent distracts you from doing any wolf hunting. Seeking to cultivate pointless rivalries is a bad thing.

And just to brainstorm along that idea.. there are two obvious non-human threats that could well serve the purpose of other wolf factions. The Aliens and the Mindworms. The Aliens I would bet could be implemented as a Feuder type role, while the mindworms I'm not sure about. Recruiters who get to take over the mind of people like Cha Dawn and Deirdre?

I've actually mentioned this post before, and thanks for bringing my attention back to it Serdoa. The reason I asked about aliens after reading Selrahc's post was that I couldn't remember any aliens in the SMAC universe, so I found it odd at the time that Selrahc introduced "The Aliens". I realize now that the Alien factions were added in an expansion. If you find me suspicious for discussing aliens, what do you think of Selrahc's post?

Serdoa, I picked up this post yesterday, but mainly because why wouldn't novice read the link provided or do a 20-second search about this game he joined up in? Found that a bit curious, and given recent alien developements might be more important

Yeah that was laziness on my part. I have read Injera's link now.

[Mattimeo]

Re Lewwyn:
His claim doesn't seem to make any sense what-so-ever.
First up, why claim with 5 mins to go of night 1? As Serdoa said (#404), that kind of information really is something you should just come forward with straight away if you think it'll help. On the other side of things, if you don't think it's valuable to speak up about immediately, why is it suddenly imperative that everyone knows about it immediately before you have a chance to be killed off?

The claim itself is also interesting. As Selrahc has been saying, the aliens in SMAC really aren't all that ameniable to human survival - they care about using the planet for their own ends, and that's about it. This makes me seriously doubt the veracity of Lewwyn's claim, makes me think he is part of a feuding pair who need each other killed. Which means we can't actually afford to lynch either of them - unless the game subsequently continues to a 'standard' town vs. wolf confrontation afterwards as well, and the aliens just count as additional victors to that.

On the other hand, from everything I've seen Lewwyn is actually a decent player, and it doesn't make any sense to me that a decent player would make such an obviously transparent play like that.

Basically, I'm really bloody confused by the whole thing. I would strongly advise taking anything and everything Lewwyn says with a grain of salt, but at the same time, I don't know if we can actually afford to lynch him.


Re name-claiming:
I don't see how there can be any downside for people with actual names (other than the currently unclaimed alien) to speak up, but those with titles as names seem to be pushing the idea that their names are perhaps slightly too indicative of their actual power - and think that this power is strong enough that the wolves are likely to target them if that name is known.
On the other hand, they've probably already hinted enough that the wolves are going to kill them for having a suspected power role anyway, so I don't know that claiming their name is going to mean it's more likely they get killed at night.

I'm personally fine with people with a title rather than an actual name not claiming if they don't wish to, but that ship may have sailed given a refusal to claim a title seems just as likely to draw wolf fire than claiming one that hints at a strong role...

[Mattimeo]

Well, given I'm lacking leads other than "Lewwyn seems really suspicious, but it also seems like a pretty bad idea to vote for him," I guess I'm back to my most hypocritical of all vote types:

slowcheetah seems fairly quiet today

[Jkaen]

Re Lewwyn:
His claim doesn't seem to make any sense what-so-ever.
First up, why claim with 5 mins to go of night 1?

5 mins before end of night is a common time to power role claim, as it shows the result of the night dont influence your claim, and doesnt give wolves enough time to change their kill order

[Jkaen]

Re name-claiming:
I don't see how there can be any downside for people with actual names (other than the currently unclaimed alien) to speak up, but those with titles as names seem to be pushing the idea that their names are perhaps slightly too indicative of their actual power - and think that this power is strong enough that the wolves are likely to target them if that name is known.
On the other hand, they've probably already hinted enough that the wolves are going to kill them for having a suspected power role anyway, so I don't know that claiming their name is going to mean it's more likely they get killed at night.

I'm personally fine with people with a title rather than an actual name not claiming if they don't wish to, but that ship may have sailed given a refusal to claim a title seems just as likely to draw wolf fire than claiming one that hints at a strong role...

Its not that we would all have strong power roles.

Lets say the wolves are hunting the seer and baner in preference assuming we have them, they have a 2 in 16 shot of randomly hitting them.

If I reveal I have the power to make 1 person post everything in pink for a day, it means they now have a 2 in 15 shot of getting a decent role.

Thats why I am against claiming even if you role sucks

(and before people start leaping off at tangents, no thats not my real power)

[Mattimeo]

Just looked up the SMAC list of citizen types:

Doctor -> Empath -> Transcend
Librarian -> Thinker -> Transcend
Technician -> Engineer

... ah, yep, I see why some of those names could be used to make assumptions about powers. On the other hand, I'm not sure Tasunke's powers represented what I'd assume about Thinker, either...

[zakalwe]

[COLOR="Pink"]Lewwyn - do you know if the Usurper knows that you know what you know?
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[Jkaen]

[COLOR="Pink"]Lewwyn - do you know if the Usurper knows that you know what you know?
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[Maniac]

For reasons mentioned by others, my main suspects at the moment are thestick, Moldach (sp?) and Selrahc. I'll go with color="red"]Selrahc[/color] for now.