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zakalwe Wrote:I didn't get this joke/reference, Lewwyn. Would you mind explaining it?
Pin and I are dedlurking NobleGas in PBEM 38. Yes... No one but me would understand that.
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About Lewwyn's claim, I think it is kind of significant that there is a faction leader who has not claimed his name, and that happens to be the allegedly evil alien faction. And big question, would a real villager make up a fake claim?
Why do that? If found out - automatic (mis)lynch, hurts village. Risks being found out either by a double claim, or a name-scry. A villager Marr would not be given a safe title to claim, why would he? If he comes clean and contests Lewwyns claim he might get lynched for it, but then we nail Lewwyn in return. Best village play is to be honest about claiming, mabye vague about specifics about ones power but never lie. Lynch all liars.
So I say that the alien is definately not winning with the village
There is some possibility that any alien wins and gets removed from the planet scoring a separate victory if they can kill the other...but is that likely? I'd say whoever first makes a claim like Lewwyn did will win. But either the missing alien is Zakalwe or thestick, or the alien is one of the 5 (Jkaen, Waterbat, Sareln, Molach, Selrahc ) who fake-claimed no name prior to Lewwyns statement. And why turtle into hiding like that if the two aliens were sort of similar? If not sort of similar, and not a villager, and not a NAP, what then?
Still think most likely explanation is that Lewwyn is a villager and the missing alien is NAP
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Do we have a vote count? How many people aren't voting.
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thestick Wrote:If I'm reading this correctly, your argument goes like this: 'novice's second post was asking if aliens exist in SMAC. Therefore, he would search for an alien. He is also not claiming his name, therefore he must be an alien.'
I'll admit, I don't really follow.
Yes, basically what I believe is simple: Lewwyns counterpart is a wolf. And that wolf is novice. Do I have any more then the above? No, because novice didn't state much on Day 1 and already stated that he won't be around much Day 2. But do I have any better leads? No, none. Everything else seems for me right now even less likely to hit a wolf. Therefore I'll rather take chances on someone I atleast believe has higher then average chances to be a wolf.
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Molach, either tell us what specific info you have that there is a 3rd faction of aliens or cut out this stupid line of reasoning. Again, Bigger was clear in the setup that names do not equal alignment - why do you think this is not the case with lewwyn? I want to hear Selrahc's reasoning on this as well, hell other people's would be nice to hear too. Why the crusade against a possible but in no way confirmed third party? How can you be so sure Lewwyn is a part of it?
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Lewwyn Wrote:Pin and I are dedlurking NobleGas in PBEM 38. Yes... No one but me would understand that.
Ok. I thought perhaps it was some kind of breadcrumb.
I don't know what the tally is, but I think I'm the only one voting for Waterbat. Some company would be nice.  (He also claimed "nameless".)
If you know what I mean.
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pindicator Wrote:Molach, either tell us what specific info you have that there is a 3rd faction of aliens or cut out this stupid line of reasoning. Again, Bigger was clear in the setup that names do not equal alignment - why do you think this is not the case with lewwyn? I want to hear Selrahc's reasoning on this as well, hell other people's would be nice to hear too. Why the crusade against a possible but in no way confirmed third party? How can you be so sure Lewwyn is a part of it?
Ummm, pretty sure Molach just said he believes Lewwyn? I.e. no third faction; at least not an alien one.
I haven't concluded, myself. I can see where Selrahc is coming from regarding our victory condition. And even if names have no bearing on alignment, that says nothing one way or the other about the number of factions, as far as I can see.
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Molac Wrote:But either the missing alien is Zakalwe or thestick, or the alien is one of the 5 (Jkaen, Waterbat, Sareln, Molach, Selrahc ) who fake-claimed no name prior to Lewwyns statement.
I don't follow- how have you narrowed the missing leader to one of those 7 players? Why focus specifically on people who have claimed to not be one of the main leaders as fakes, when Bigger said in the setup that there would be generic individuals involved? This sounds to me like misdirection.
I'm also somewhat surprised that nobody seems to care that thestick insinuated during the night phase that Wolves were trying to save him. Maybe just bad phrasing or an ill-conceived train of thought on his part, but I'm suspicious of him.
Don't have much time, so I can't comment on much else atm. Still trying to digest the dozens of posts I just read through.
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Mattimeo Wrote:Re Lewwyn:
His claim doesn't seem to make any sense what-so-ever.
First up, why claim with 5 mins to go of night 1? As Serdoa said (#404), that kind of information really is something you should just come forward with straight away if you think it'll help. On the other side of things, if you don't think it's valuable to speak up about immediately, why is it suddenly imperative that everyone knows about it immediately before you have a chance to be killed off? Well, this makes no sense to me, and I don't think you're understanding Serdoa correctly, either. If Lewwyn is telling the truth, I don't see why he should have claimed at the start of the game. Why would he do that? That would only make sense if he knew that his adversary knew that he knew. (Which I believe is what Serdoa was getting at, though I could be mistaken.)
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pindicator Wrote:Molach, either tell us what specific info you have that there is a 3rd faction of aliens or cut out this stupid line of reasoning. Again, Bigger was clear in the setup that names do not equal alignment - why do you think this is not the case with lewwyn? I want to hear Selrahc's reasoning on this as well, hell other people's would be nice to hear too. Why the crusade against a possible but in no way confirmed third party? How can you be so sure Lewwyn is a part of it?
I am not sure at all, just mentioning the possibility. But my conclusion was pretty clear, wasn't it? Have no specifics about aliens, gave my best analysis about what is going on about this. Call it stupid, what I was outlining happened in an earlier game. As an example, if you wish. See some of Selrahc's earlier posts, he talks more about a possible alien conspiracy.
If no third faction, Lewwyn is either NAP, who is trying to mislynch Marr, or villager who is trying to lynch Marr. Marr has claimed no name (in my opinion beyond reasonable doubt). Think Marr is an innocent villager after a fake nameclaim?
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