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Molach Wrote:novice
Brick, I am not concerned with finding 3rd faction. I know Pindicator said so but read MY posts instead. I talk about them as a vague possibility but conclude otherwise. Selrahc is the Xenophobe.
Eh, you do talk about it a decent amount, and a lot about the names as well, more so names than factions really.
At this point I'm just ready to see what happens with novice though, as that's the direction that will actually get us somewhere in finding the wolves, which I really don't think the name-finding will help with.
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Woops, glad I checked by before leaving: novice lol
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At the risk of getting ahead of myself, I went through novice's posts, and put a quick summary. This really was cursory and quickly done so there may be holes, but I think it also points to a possible day 3 target. I'm assuming serdoa is telling the truth and novice is indeed going to flip scum because his last post looks like someone giving up. So in the spoiler is my summary of his posts (reads most recent to earliest):
* People novice votes against: DAY 2 - zakalwe (505), maniac (426); DAY 1 - thestick (226), selrahc (107)
* People he attacks or pushes suspicion toward: DAY 2 - slowcheetah (505), pindicator (426); DAY 1 - tasunke (187, 181), selrahc (180), injera (107), sareln (107)
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Whoops, forgot the second half of the post...
Some things that stand out and again, this may be getting ahead of myself, but I think catching the first scum is a great way to catch subsequent scum (for example, how Injera led to Slowcheetah last game). Here what stands out to me is how thestick plays into all this. On day 1 novice votes for thestick after the Tasunke has a large vote lead and gives this reasoning:
novice Wrote:I guess we need to start making up our minds. It feels like people are voting Tasunke mostly for lack of a better alternative, which is... fair enough, I suppose. However, I think I'll throw my lot in with the Thestick voters instead - Thestick had something odd going on with Molach earlier related to lurker voting and singling out Molach because he didn't vote for Waterbat. Even if Waterbat would have been a candidate satisfying Molach's scumhunting criteria, Molach still had 20 other candidates to choose from.
Not odd in itself. But what is odd is that novice does not mention thestick once in Day 2. As if his top day 1 candidate suddenly falls off the radar for no reason, when other people (and I forget who) are saying thestick has gotten more suspicious. Could novice have been parking a vote on a fellow wolf while it was safe, just to be able to point back to a voting record if he was targeted later on?
What's suspicious to me also about thestick is how he has pretty much disappeared in day 2. Day 1 he was super active and I thought just being over-eager since he was newer. But his decline in posting in Day 2 is very noticable, and the combination of that and novice's vote makes me think we should investigate thestick more.
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pindicator Wrote:At the risk of getting ahead of myself, I went through novice's posts, and put a quick summary. Heh, seems like we think alike  . Here's what I gathered:
Pind start by voting novice, "Gonna vote novice since he always seems to be a wolf lately". Instant first thought was inside joke :D
Zak made totally random vote on novice, easy to change later. Followed by Bob, who had more valid (and IMO villagerish) reason behind his vote.
Novice throws slight dirt on Sareln, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=107
But votes Selrahc and I don't see him speaking of Sareln after that (?)
Vote (seems like excuse) against thestick, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=226 Votes at that point were:
tasunke(7) - Lewwyn, zakalwe, serdoa, bobchillingsworth, mattimeo, thestick, Selrahc
thestick (2)- molach, tasunke
molach - Catwalk
Sareln - Injera,
Qgqqqqqq - Maniac,
Maniac - waterbat
Novice - Pindicator
Lewwyn - meiz
mattimeo - jkaen
seralhc - novice
Meiz - Sareln
Slowcheetah - Qgqqqqq
So if there's a number of wolves not voting Tas at that moment, voting for a fellow wolf would be really safe at this point. X-posting with pindicator and looks like I'm not the only one thinking that.
I don't have time right now, but it will be interesting to see how the voting goes on from this point forward, as in, does it seem to be crafted that thestick does no end up tied or on top with Tas.
Throws slight dirt on Pindicator, but votes Maniac with (IMO) bad reasons, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...post282627
Qgqqq makes a strange accusation against novice, and novices reactions are http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...post282935 and http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...post282945
For me it feels genuine enough to think that Qgqqq is not a wolf with novice.
His comments for Molach don't seem "crafted discussion" either, which gives me a small village vibe on Molach.
At the end (but before Serdoa's reveal) he has quite a lot of pressure, so he says Zak and BRick as his biggest suspects. Kind of thinking a wolf might want to throw couple of names there so that the village can over-analyze them if/when his role is revealed later. Nothing major, but just an idea that popped in my head
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Meiz Wrote:So if there's a number of wolves not voting Tas at that moment, voting for a fellow wolf would be really safe at this point. Nah, not sure what I was thinking. It's safe even if there would be more wolves on the Tas voters. So my point was, it was a safe vote to make, in case thestick would be a wolf 
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Well, glad I'm not the only one thinking like this Meiz Last game I got jumped on for being "too quick" to think about what a lynch turning someone as scum might mean.
I agree Qgqqqqq is looking village. Between his attacks on novice and novice's back on him. Now, we can't assume novice wouldn't stage something like this, especially after last game. But right now that's less plausible; more plausible is Qgqqqqq is village and novice was reacting to pressure.
I think slowcheetah also gets a village lean, because novice was trying to kick dirt up on him on post 505. That really does look a like try-hard reasoning that novice gives, the whole "slowcheetah is curious because Bigger made Lal an NPC". Bigger takes literary license to make all of our characters (and nameless characters) talk; that doesn't mean they are off limits for us to be assigned them. I don't think novice had quite so much heat on him at this point as he does later, but the reasoning just seems so forced that I don't want to commit to slowcheetah as being village entirely.
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I agree that thestick is suspicious!!
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So, Serdoa's the seer? novice
Other possibilities are that a) he's the fool b) he's an NAP and is lynching novice to get super-deep cover (he can only get alignment, not powers) or c) he's a villager and is desperately hoping that novice is actually a wolf. I'm willing to take Serdoa at his word, though.
The reason you waited on claiming seer is to see how people would react to your logic, right?
In response to accusations that I haven't said anything original, I'm sorry, but I can't seem to generate any reads on anyone. As far as I can tell, everyone's a villager. I know it's not true, but I can't really tell the difference between 'weird' and 'wolf,' especially since acting weird is apparently a sign of being a villager. Apparently the only things I can do well are ask questions, make observations, and look for logical errors. I'll try to get a read soon...
pindicator Wrote:Thestick, what are your thoughts? You and Brick are the only ones without a vote I'll get back to you once I generate some thoughts.
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