WW15 - Chiron is a harsh mistress

[Injera]

IApparently, Meiz gained an ability related to mindworms today, and Injera makes the same claim. So was this also triggered by the UN charter being repealed? If so, did you know about it in advance? I'd prefer Injera to answer first this time, since he was the one to echo Meiz' claim, earlier.

As far as I know it was not related to the UN Charter being repealed. I didn't know about it ahead of the time, it was completely out of the blue.

[Meiz]

As far as I know it was not related to the UN Charter being repealed. I didn't know about it ahead of the time, it was completely out of the blue.

And confirmed. It strongly seems our roles are identical, at least so far. Which makes the possibility of Sareln's and Mattimeo's powers being identical more likely.

[Molach]

I changed it from 'member'
(reset to basic after rorschach game)

[Molach]

Yes, Bigger told me that thestick didn't know my alignment. I didn't really think anything of it at the time.

This is interesting, he could have said "will not be told your alignment" and kept all bases open.

Could be that is what is meant, but oversight possible too.

[Qgqqqqq]

I know its a bit late to be jumping on lurkers but frankly I dont trust any of the other leads so JKaen will have to do.

[Lewwyn]

I know its a bit late to be jumping on lurkers but frankly I dont trust any of the other leads so JKaen will have to do.

Orly? That's passing the buck.

[Meiz]

Well, going to change my vote on Mattimeo.

I believe BRick's claim as a villager claim. Just the way it came out makes it really believable. Wolf with that ability would know for sure that it's for anti-town purposes. Therefore I think BRick's ability to affect both Sareln and Mattimeo's identical powers is a sign that one of them is a wolf.

Both read neutral for me, but I don't like the company that votes Sareln at the moment. Most noticeably that being Selrahc and slowcheetah. I haven't found much of any reasons to believe that either one of them would be genuinely hunting wolves.

Selrahc's reason for voting Sareln: http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...post284054

And slowcheetah's case against Sareln seems a bit too forced IMO, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...post283827

Also on Mattimeo, I find it strange that he says he wanted to hide the Commuter part of his role (http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=767).
Then why a direct clue in his claim?

My role PM also mentions drone riots, specifically that I am able to instigate one, but it makes no mention about what the drone riot itself actually does. I do, however, get arrested if I attempt to instigate one, so I've been rather hesitant about doing so.

[Injera]

I still like the part where we have fairly solid evidence against thestick, in that he had information that he should have had no way of obtaining at that point without communication with some kind of role scanner (like the wolf one we found the existence of yesterday), yet everyone decides to run off and get distracted by random tangents.

You mean me thinking that Serdoa couldn't determine roles? I think this is the third time I've said this, but I'll say it again: if Serdoa knew novice's role, why wouldn't he reveal it? To make himself less dangerous to the wolves? I thought that since Serdoa didn't reveal novice's role, Serdoa didn't know what novice's role was.

Mattimeo ignores this. If he really thinks he has solid evidence, isn't this the point where you either twist the knife or reconsider things?

Later:

Also: this does lend credence to the idea that the ability to prevent this from occurring is not entirely town aligned. So I'd be tempted to go for BRickAstley once we've dealt with thestick. Definitely not 'til after, though.

Mattimeo

[Injera]

Orly? That's passing the buck.

To expand on this, even if you think the top candidates are innocent you should really vote for the one you think is least innocent.

Also, what has Jkaen done to make himself look like a wolf except say he's had connectivity issues? We need to have a little give and take with RL issues like that.

[zakalwe]

Good catch about the "I get arrested" thing, Meiz.

What strikes me as a little odd currently is how thestick remains a front runner (at least until recently), but nobody is really arguing why he is scummy. I mean, maybe he is a good lynch, but nobody seems interested in actually arguing for it.

Anyway, I'm staying on Mattimeo. His defense mostly consists of saying "I'm a villager" in various convoluted ways, which just isn't enough to sway me.