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WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

Bigger Wrote:yes, I certainly felt under assault during the last 10 minutes there. Catwalk can be excused, perhaps, since he had been on me earlier and mostly didn't want thestick lynched.
Uberfish's last minute switch to me is telling, and maybe Sareln's too.

Both Sareln and uberfish were Mattimeo voters, as well.
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I gave post numbers to the votes of the final Bigger push.

You can see Sareln kicking it off right after Catwalk left, similar to how Sareln voted Mattimeo right after Serdoa left matt.

Then you see, within 10 minutes, Merovech and Uberfish backing up Sareln's vote.

And finally, Catwalk switches to Bigger, a vote he had earlier.
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I was online counting votes Tasunke, I knew how close it was smile. Sweating it, too.

Zak was voting for thestick and was clearly getting elected mayor, though - so scum would have had to pull another person off thestick and onto me.
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Yes, I feel that Sareln and Uberfish's involvement in the pushes for both Mattimeo and Bigger as quite telling, personally.

Not just that, but the way they have been posting. For instance Uberfish's "fake anger" in posts 206 and 208.

It is possible that in posts 206-208 or so (including Novices suspicions of Uberfish much earlier) could have been a classical distancing move between Uberfish and Novice.

Then perhaps Uberfish felt that he could risk getting himself directly involved in pushes, so that if he took the fall Novice wouldn't go with him? Hard to say for now.

But what I *DO* know is that Uberfish and Sareln look quite scummy ... and if Uberfish is indeed scum, it is quite possible that there was an actual planned distancing in posts 206-208 ... making Novice a likely lurker wolf.

Still, far better, in my opinion at least, to lynch the obvious wolves before the lurker wolves.

Therefore a Sareln (or Uberfish) lynch tomorrow would be as good as any.

(I had been keeping my suspicions of Uberfish a secret throghout the day, but I think that now is a well enough time to reveal them)
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post 374 was primarily directed at Injera's post 371
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thestick didn't give us much to go off of, but here's what he wrote after his 20-questions in his first post:

thestick Wrote:Hasn't 'lynching the weird people' backfired on us three games in a row?

Do Rowain and waterbat seem a bit unhinged to anyone else?

uberfish for mayor.

I can see why he'd say waterbat was unhinged, with how his opening post was. But Rowain's posts before this were #7 and #10 and don't seem unhinged, just joking.

And do we think thestick is the type of person who would try to vote a fellow wolf in as mayor right off the bat? I'm leaning yes on this.
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Official Final Lynch Vote Count

thestick - 9 - zakalwe, novice, Bigger, tasunke, Mattimeo, Arromir, Serdoa, Twinkletoes89, Molach
Bigger - 8 - Rowain, Lewwyn, Injera, Jkaen, Sareln, Merovech, uberfish, Catwalk
Injera - 2 - Gaspar, Waterbat
Waterbat - 1 - Azza
uberfish - 1 - Qgqqqqq
Gaspar - 1 - Selrahc
Jkaen - 1 - Meiz
Merovech - 1 - Pindicator


Players not voting: Ichabod, thestick
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I agree with uberfish and sareln's votes being suspicious, but at least sareln backed them with some reasonable logic, iirc. I would prefer uberfish, catwalk, and injera overSareln at this time.
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why didn't thestick vote for bigger? huh
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pindicator Wrote:why didn't thestick vote for bigger? huh

I think he just imploded - sort of like MNG in whatever the last game I played was (12?)
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