WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[waterbat]

No i understand thats what he is saying and admit its true. I then go on so suggest I am worried about him faking the restriction or alignment (note not worried enough to not vote him mayor)

When I first read it, I thought novice was trying to say that the post restriction was a side effect of the cloacking. " hey I'm still partially cloaked and don't have my own voice back yet. ". But the second reading seemed more plausible

if I was novice and rolled wolf 1 more time, I might be tempted to fake the very post restriction I had previously faked. It's audacious, of course, but well within the realmsbeyond of possibility. He wouldn't have much to gain with it ( he already is looking solidly town), but it would make for good drama in the post-game mafia victory lap.

[Catwalk]

Mattimeo, I wanted to know who you protected in order to investigate your role claim for later use. I agree you're leaning villager now, it might not stay that way. I'd rather you state now who you protected and why rather than give you more time for it later so it matches later developments (in case you're mafia). I don't see the major downside to revealing whether you used a charge or not, you have 3 and are unlikely to live long enough to use them all if you're not mafia.

Bigger, I think it's useful for the town to know Mattimeo's reasoning since he passed up on two fairly promising targets. I'll drop the matter seems noone seems interested, but I would like to echo Jkaen's sentiments about not clearing people 100% yet.

The discussion on Ichabod seems to have come to a discreet halt, wonder if we're being poked in different directions.

[Jkaen]

The discussion on Ichabod seems to have come to a discreet halt, wonder if we're being poked in different directions.

Other than "Zakalwe found him suspicious" I have not really seen anybody argue the case at all. Try to put a detailed analysis together for why he is mafia, and you may find renewed interest. Personnaly having reviewed it I cant really see the case

[Twinkletoes89]

Catwalk, what is the point of asking Mattimeo if he acted or not? How can we prove whether he did or didn't, regardless of what he says?

I'd rather he kept quiet for now - I think the discussion would be unhelpful and not give us anywhere near as much info as it would give the wolves.

[Lewwyn]

I do not like the votes against Qgqqqqq at all. The momentum behind him seems very sketchy to me, even by normal day 2 standards, and especially this day 2 when we have legitimate reads. Also, he doesn't really appear to be acting any differently than he did in ww15

Just to be clear... You don't like the momentum behind the votes against Qg? There are currently 3 votes on Qg: Novice, Rowain and Selrahc. Catwalk was on him but unvoted. I considered going on him too, but haven't yet. So I don't see a ton of momentum on Qg here. There are only 3 votes. Basically you're saying you don't like Novice being on someone you don't suspect?

[Catwalk]

TT, it can help us determine down the road if he's lying about his claim or not. If he is mafia, he is getting pretty good cover right now and later on it will be easier to make up night actions when he knows what's opportune. Asking him to say so now forces him to leave a tiny trail that can be examined later, won't be the case if he says what he did in 3 days. As said above, if noone cares I'll drop the matter.

[Qgqqqqq]

Cant sleep.
Guys please dont say that your voting for me because "novice said so." I feel I gave a decent response to his reasoning so please post instead any problems holes you have and Ill try explain tomorrow.
Thanks!

[waterbat]

@Meiz. I'm was saying that was thestick's reaction to heat - to go dark. Nothing about alignment. As to the importance of the point I picked out, I couldn't find anything else in your posts that led to me. Just that I voted thestick, but voted off when his tally took the lead.

@catwalk. I'm very interested! I agree with those that say divulging the info might not be prudent. Here we have 2 of the most solidly pro-town voices and neither was jailed/protected last night. I would expect that the mafia would attack mattimeo's credibility. I wouldn't expect them to come right out and ask like you did. Also, I think Mattimeo himself would have been a good night target.

[Rowain]

There are currently 3 votes on Qg: Novice, Rowain and Selrahc. Catwalk was on him but unvoted. I considered going on him too, but haven't yet. So I don't see a ton of momentum on Qg here. There are only 3 votes. Basically you're saying you don't like Novice being on someone you don't suspect?

There are even less as I'm currently on pindicator while waiting for Qg to wake up and get a good PC so he can answer whom he suspect.

[Twinkletoes89]

TT, it can help us determine down the road if he's lying about his claim or not. If he is mafia, he is getting pretty good cover right now and later on it will be easier to make up night actions when he knows what's opportune. Asking him to say so now forces him to leave a tiny trail that can be examined later, won't be the case if he says what he did in 3 days. As said above, if noone cares I'll drop the matter.

I doubt it will give as much as you hope.

He could be mafia and simply say he protected himself for the first 3 nights and by then the mafia could be in a commanding spot.

And if he's village and discloses that he has used up a shot then the mafia knows that there's less likely to be protection in the late game.

I don't see how we villagers gain anything from his info. The only time we will gain anything is if/when he blocks a kill (if he can)