WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[Serdoa]

Qgqqqq would you mind explaining why your character limit seems to be 92/93 characters, though your first post (no. 561) has obviously more then those (123...). I'm really curious tbh.

Apart from that

[color=Red]Sareln[/quote]
[color=Cyan]Serdoa[/quote]

[Serdoa]

Doh... second time I did that wrong

Sareln
Serdoa

[Qgqqqqq]

cry: you ask too much Rowain, too much. (btw i wasnt interacting with you, just hitting stbmit post/reply)

Again may go past 1 post, and is written as if it is post 570 (everything until you see /suspects)

1 novice probs 75% town. reasoning: setting up thestick death, general strong play. hwever history of strong wolf play that includes sacrifices weakens that.
not sure how isee pr, its either viscous humour or self imposed to reduce wolf exposing.

2 injera. urr no idea what to think, playing quite agg

[Mattimeo]

Skimmed through looking for things concerning me, will go through again with more detail to work out suspicions.

There seems to be a slight discrepancy between this statement:

Mattimeo, given that thestick was guilty that's just about enough to clear you. I did find your role claim very suspicious, but given thestick's guilt I'm going to assume there was a reason for that. If there is anything you didn't say about your power yet, don't reveal anymore.

and the behavior so far today...

Mattimeo, who did you protect tonight and why? Many Qs, got any explanation for flip flopping between me and uberfish?

Well, true. I was mainly wondering why he didn't protect zakalwe, but I guess there's no need since Mattimeo is all but established as townie.

I want to revisit Mattimeo a little bit, don't eat me just yet Lewwyn. What are the downsides to Mattimeo stating if he used a shot or not? If he has 3 shots and is townie, chances are good he will be gunned down before he manages to use them all. If the mob later tries to have him mislynched on grounds of him ought to have been killed, we get the benefit of another 2 shots. I don't think he declared any kind of limitation on protecting the same target twice either.

I also appreciate the part where I'm established as town, but it's still imperative that I let the wolves know how many shots I have left...

Can I ask.. has Mattimeo claimed a role name or just a power? Thestick was a "spy", I'd like to know if there is a similar nom de guerre for the cloaker. Is it just cloaker?

Just said I was a 3-shot cloaker, then went on to explain what that entailed.

Either we don't have a baner or the baner is an idiot.

(also, pretty sure it's been covered already, but BRick did specifically mention the absence of a 'classic' banner)

[Rowain]

Read ing through...

the reason for the park on uber is not because of great suspicion but because i then went toa 2 3 hour exams.
The last bit about parking it there was more cause i was too lasy to type out [COLOR="Red"] no vote[/COLOR ], didnt have any insights/strong tells on main suspects

You mean you woul have switched to no vote and risked getting mod-killed lateron?

Besides I'm more interested whom you suspect now and whom you would lynch today and why.

[Jkaen]

Doh... second time I did that wrong

Sareln
Serdoa

I am currently reading through again and I admit Sareln is pinging for various very minor reasons with me (just general feel of posts, a guess that 1 person on post 200 will be a wolf, etc) , why are you voting for him?

[Meiz]

Meiz: the Firefighter
Didn't agree with his priorities on who to pursue day 1.

You are probably right on that. My priorities were not for this game for the weekend.

thestick actually had quite good power in his use, especially being unlimited shots. That's basically an alternative version of Devil (wolf-role-seer), perfect for hunting villager PR's. So IMO it makes no sense that there would be no real effort on trying to save him. To me it looks like thesticks anti-defense was trying to make villagers doubt the votes, since everyone thinks wolf has the biggest motivation to fight back. Could also explain the lack of vote against Bigger. Fortunately didn't work that well for him :D. I agree that there's lot to read from the beginning of the day where thestick started to gain more heat.

#1 suspect: Waterbat, who made early vote on thestick but backed away right after it gained traction.
Generally not getting villager vibes from his posts.

#2 Qgqqq. Probably influenced by novices suspicion on him...

Seems like I'm the only one who found Jkaen's reaction to Tasunke suspicious... But agreed, his misundertanding of the accusation gives a slight villager read. Still, joined the Bigger wagon.

Villagers: novice, Bigger, Serdoa

Thinking that Injera's over-the-top defense of thestick is too strongly visible. Could be an attempt of reverse psychology, but doubt it.

As the chain of events is getting way too long, I put it to spoilers. It's until page #23.

Zak made the first vote on thestick. No problems for the wolves yet. (Well villager Zak is always trouble for the wolves, but just one vote at this point).

Serdoa made a slight defense, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....stcount=69
But talked of Molach, even when it was meant to be thestick. I wonder if wolf would have had the idea to fake something like this. Small thing, but IMO leans a bit village. Generally getting village vibes from him.

novice made similar accusation against thestick, did not vote yet. Waterbat follows with a vote, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....stcount=80
So basically making the third vote, since novice had given clear signs of suspecting thestick.

Catwalk unvotes waterbat, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....stcount=82
What was the point of his vote against waterbat? Why the need for unvoting, instead of leaving it in place until more clear suspects arise?

Now novice votes thestick, making it:
tasunke - 3 - Sareln, Merovech, Meiz
thestick - 3 - Zakalwe, Waterbat, novice
Gaspar - 2 - Bigger, Injera
Sareln - 2 - tasunke, Molach
Catwalk - 2 - uberfish, Qgqqq
Pindicator - 1 - Serdoa
Molach - 1 - Gaspar
Waterbat - 1 - Azza
Qgqqqqq - 1 - Lewwyn
Bigger - 1 - Pindicator
Jkaen - 1 - Rowain
Merovech - 1 - Jkaen

A bit of a "oh shit" situation for the wolves, but plenty of time to change things around due to numerous alternative candidates.

Pindicator makes slight defense of thestick, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....stcount=98
"Isn't 20 questions how he played it last game as a villager? i was pretty convinced he was scum last game, and wrong, which makes me want to see more from thestick before deciding towards him"

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Later Bigger votes thestick. I'd say this is the true "oh shit" moment for the wolves and the motivation to deflect attention would be at the highest. Votes:
thestick - 4 - zakalwe, Waterbat, novice, Bigger
Catwalk - 2 - uberfish, Qgqqqqq
Jkaen - 2 - Rowain, Meiz
Pindicator - 2 - Serdoa, Merovech
Bigger - 2 - Pindicator, Catwalk
Sareln - 2 - tasunke, Molach
Gaspar - 1 - Injera
Injera - 1 - Gaspar
Qgqqqqq - 1 - Lewwyn
Waterbat - 1 - Azza
tasunke - 1 - Sareln
Merovech - 1 - Jkaen

This is mostly listing the events afterwards, that seem like deflecting attention elsewhere.

Rowain accuses thestick voters (novice & bigger) http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=112

TwinkleToes attacks Bigger, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=113

Sareln votes Qgqqq, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=118

Jkaen revenge-votes me, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=124
Does not really make a case for others to follow though...

Merovech votes thestick, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=133
Comes off looking like a villager IMO.

Waterbat changes away from thestick to Injera, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=140
IMO wolfish move, scared of the votes thestick gathered? His reason for switching was because Injera preferred novice as mayor over Zak...

Ichabod makes a case against Gaspar. Likes thestick case, but doesn't want to vote yet, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=144

Injera and Gaspar continue the battle. (not going to bother with links, it was on for the whole day)

Rowain votes Bigger, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=158

Tasunke continues to suspect Sareln, while also adding Lewwyn to the mix, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=161

uberfish continues against catwalk, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=164

Qgqqq votes Tasunke, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=165

Waterbat following suspicions on uberfish, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=171

Tasunke suspects Qgqq, Lewwyn and Sareln, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=173

Lewwyn puts thestick in even bigger lead, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=176
"The other big argument here is thestick and I'm on board to a point. My only issue is he's only got one post so we can't call this a definitive lynch."
Explained more later: http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=186

Waterbat defending thestick, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=180

Catwalk votes Gaspar (away from Bigger), http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=188

Lewwyn switches away from thestick to Catwalk, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=190

Injera votes novice, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=197

Serdoa votes thestick, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=199
Pro-villager move, making it:

thestick - 5 - zakalwe, novice, Bigger, Merovech, Serdoa
Bigger - 2 - Pindicator, Rowain
Injera - 2 - Gaspar, Waterbat
Sareln - 2 - tasunke, Molach
Qgqqqqq - 1 - Sareln
Waterbat - 1 - Azza
Meiz - 1 - Jkaen
tasunke - 1 - Qgqqqqq
Catwalk - 1 - uberfish
Gaspar - 1 - Catwalk
Jkaen - 1 - Meiz
Catwalk - 1 - Lewwyn
novice - 1 - Injera

Uberfish votes novice, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=202
(Still, wouldn't there have been easier targets to dogpile?)
Overreacts against novice later in quite odd manner. I'm guessing to strengthen his argument (showing he is certain of it). Generally seen as something that wolf would avoid, so might be done over the top on purpose.

Qgqq votes uberfish, says catwalk is still suspicious, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=212

Mattimeo makes controversial vote gainst Tasunke, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=217
I'd imagine wolf would have came up with better reasons, there was plenty of material at that point. I also can't imagine he'd expect the vote to gain much traction... But Jkaen follows, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=218

Serdoa calls out Mattimeo's reasoning and votes, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=219
Agreed on his view.

Rowain continues against Bigger, says Jkaen is his #2 suspect, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=222

Lewwyn changes away from Catwalk to Bigger and goes to sleep, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=227
Putting him in #2 place for the lynch.

I'll be attending to a training starting from today, ending on thursday. Will be overnight and with evening programs, so I'm going to be restricted to mobile access.

[Meiz]

And novice

[Jkaen]

Meiz,

At one point its thestick 6 Mattimeo 5 I believe, yet you make no comment on Mattimeo's innocence but believe the bigger bandwagon just failing makes him read village.

Why the difference?

[Qgqqqqq]

sry hit limit
@serdoa that was on a proper computer, hence why sometimes i use smilies links etc. and sometimes i am reduced to this c**p

...ressive. no real opinion either way 50%

3 meiz. i s it said that i havent noticed you at all? will reread and post tomorr ow.

4&5 zak and i, obv townies

6 Rowain. seems quite engaged, but caused some chaos earlier. village lean 55%.
7 molach, again no opinion will re examine tomorrow.
8 Azza not many posts (that ive noticed) but general feeling of insightful comm