WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[Bigger]

True Novice, I am just paranoid about over trusting you again given you have in previous games shopped a werewolf to gain cover, and faked the very posting restriction you have now

I think you misunderstood novice. He was saying that matt could not have "cloaked" him either, since the cloak would block a post-restriction.

I want to revisit Mattimeo a little bit, don't eat me just yet Lewwyn. What are the downsides to Mattimeo stating if he used a shot or not? If he has 3 shots and is townie, chances are good he will be gunned down before he manages to use them all. If the mob later tries to have him mislynched on grounds of him ought to have been killed, we get the benefit of another 2 shots. I don't think he declared any kind of limitation on protecting the same target twice either.

Are you having fun there novice? Impressive quote digging.

this is terrible Catwalk, and incredibly anti-town. The targets Matt could have possibly covered (including no one) could be counted on one hand anyway, and what information can you possibly get for the village by proding him? You aren't even on my list of suspects before this post but this nonsense makes me want to lynch you. :mad:

[Mattimeo]

Post restriction seems to indicate novice as reasonably town - barring the possibility he's faking, or it was randomly inflicted. He's also coherent enough despite the limitation to still make a good mayor...

Several people that are seeming quite scummy to me at the moment:
One of Sareln and uberfish. The jump, first onto me, then on Bigger as soon as I claimed, seems like a desperate attempt to save a fellow wolf in thestick. I say only one of them because I can't imagine wolves thinking it a good idea to have two of their number do so almost identically.
Deciding between the two, uberfish has actually had a presence in the game outside that move, and has seemed to be somewhat useful to boot. So, I'd pick Sareln as the more likely of the two to be scum.

Qgqqqqq, for pretty much the reasons novice has outlined. Didn't go anywhere near any of the main lynch targets yesterday, and was reluctant about voting for thestick in a situation where there was still a possibility of him being saved (as demonstrated by how close the Bigger run came).
For now, I think I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt while the ostensible lack of a decent posting mechanism remains. Hopefully can get something coherent before the end of the day tonight, though.


Not necessarily scum, but quite random reads from Catwalk, the basis of which I covered in my post earlier. I fully understand the doubt yesterday, even after my claim, but the constant pressing for information that doesn't seem necessarily that helpful for the town, but may be quite useful for the wolves, especially after the advice last night not to divulge further about my role, doesn't seem all that consistent...

[Mattimeo]

oh right, actual vote.

Sareln

[Mattimeo]

I agree though, who searches their name in the thread as a town member? Townies read through the thread hunting mafia, not search the thread to cover their asses. I can remember doing this as NAP/wolf, however.

I definitely do. Gives me something to actually talk about until I notice a slip I think is big enough to actually warrant pouncing on, rather than my usual paranoia going off over something needless...

I think you misunderstood novice. He was saying that matt could not have "cloaked" him either, since the cloak would block a post-restriction.

That's how it looked to me, too - I thought fairly obviously as well :/

[Jkaen]

Post 200 I refered to was this by the way:

Great, another Day 1, another call for my head. I think I'm working too hard on weekends. Back, but spent an hour or so reading this thread, I need sleep to think this stuff over.

So too questions are a sign of wolfishness? Okay...

On the 'waterbat and Rowain comment': waterbat's first post, screaming that I AM A VILLAGER in all caps, stood out. Rowain roleplaying as the town drunk felt a bit off.

Minor Quote Oddities:

No paticular rea son just posting a lot of "noise" without saying much.

"I suspect Tasunke for no reason, except for this reason that I'm bringing up now."

Going to open with Merovech as my lynch for putting on the last vote to try and get Tansuke to role claim (which on day 1 needs about 2 votes!)

I'm starting to agree with Jkaen here.

I find both personality tests and meta speculation in the same 'more or less acceptable' category.

I'm not sure what to make of this comment.

Going now to standard day 1 reactions I guess I now shift to somebody who voted for me, Rowain seems to always find me suspicious, so I vote Meiz as he should know better

I'm tempted to call that wolfish, recognizing the usual patterns of village behavior and blending in. Then again, admitting that you recognize the pattern and still following it doesn't seem like something a wolf would do.

Mild Suspicions:
-Mattimeo, for his two posts being a quick check in followed by a metagaming post saying that 'Tasunke's role claim doesn't clear him.'
-Sareln, for voting Lewwyn for mayor and agreeing with his proposals without much explanation as to why he trusted Lewwyn so much.. Also, Sareln's Wifi post.
-Rowain, for not saying much.

Neutral Oddities:
-Gaspar starting off two posts by calling them 'lazy wolf posts.'
-Serdoa's string of posts explaining things for other people stands out for some reason.

Other Thoughts:
-I haven't been able to grasp the Injera/Gaspar show.

If it was me as a wolf doing this I think I would be tempted to throw at least 1 wolf into that mix as I may get paranoid about seeming to know too much if I went all village

Suspected in body, but not his shortlist:
Qq
Merovech
Jkaen (sort of)

Of the 5 he specifcally highlights however we have:
Serdoa - Generally thought to be one of the most villagerish people atm
Mattimeo - Failed BW and possible village powerole
Gaspar - Had picked up some heat by then, but personnaly I cant see any scum tells atm
Rowain - Known for railroading, and will probably pick up attention befoer too long, so sets up a reason to jump onto him
Sareln - Who as given above I find suspicious, and could be the 1 wolf thrown in here to make his list seem plausable

[Jkaen]

I think you misunderstood novice. He was saying that matt could not have "cloaked" him either, since the cloak would block a post-restriction.

No i understand thats what he is saying and admit its true. I then go on so suggest I am worried about him faking the restriction or alignment (note not worried enough to not vote him mayor)

[waterbat]

I assume you cross posted with me, arromir? My own last post was a big cross post (2 hours) as I fell back asleep before hitting submit.

@Meiz. Wow. By saying ... waterbat's #2 vote on thestick was really the #3 vote ... is twisting the facts to fit your suspicion. Also in post 180, I am not defending him at all. I'm saying that thestick had previously gone dark after attracting a bunch of negative attention. It would be reasonable to assume he would do the same.

I explained later that I was following Gaspar's arguments on injera and the mayor vote didn't sit well with me.

[Bigger]

Sareln
novice

I could switch to uberfish for lynch if he gets more momentum. Only very slight preference to Sareln right now is that given more time uberfish might do something helpful to town which could change my mind - but that requires active participation so I don't expect it from Sareln .

Also wouldnt mind an Ichabod lynch, Zak made a good case and he isn't doing anything to clear himself. I'm also no longer sure that Catwalk is village, but too many suspects for me to worry about him atm - I fear him as a wolf less than these other 3, tbh.

I do not like the votes against Qgqqqqq at all. The momentum behind him seems very sketchy to me, even by normal day 2 standards, and especially this day 2 when we have legitimate reads. Also, he doesn't really appear to be acting any differently than he did in ww15

[Jkaen]

I do worry how many of the votes on Qq are because Village Novice has voted on him early, hence people happily follow him to save thinking elsewhere

[Meiz]

@Meiz. Wow. By saying ... waterbat's #2 vote on thestick was really the #3 vote ... is twisting the facts to fit your suspicion.

It was quite clear that novice would be willing to vote thestick. But how is this relevant, really? It's a minor observation and you pick that as your complaint?

Also in post 180, I am not defending him at all. I'm saying that thestick had previously gone dark after attracting a bunch of negative attention. It would be reasonable to assume he would do the same.

You said he acts the same way as in last game as a villager. I'd say that's defending.