WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[Ichabod]

uberfish, I am pretty certain that Ichabod is a wolf. His whole play is exactly the same as the last time he was a wolf. I'm not sure how this can't be seen. He talks, talks, talks... and afterwards you have learned nothing. And no, that is not because he is defending himself - because you also learn nothing new about him. And he admits that people think different and that he might have had the focus on other parts of the post, just to put his focus again on those other parts instead of finally putting any defense against the real accusation.

Thats so typical Ichabod-wolf, it hurts. I learned the hard way that you have to be aware of that, because you easily put him into the villager camp due to "emotional" reactions or simply because of his lenghty posts.

Oh, and honestly, I would antagonize you as much as possible uberfish, were I a wolf. Start an infight with another player, in most cases, all others will get bored and simply ignore you and move on to others.

So you want me to make things up as a villager, Serdoa? I can't create content, I can't create wolf tells. That'd only be harmful.

I tried to explain my whole game so far. To put it more clearly, after my absence on day 1, I've been just trying to catch up, first by reading the late posts, second by trying to defend myself. Seriously, I don't have time for active scum-hunting after that. I tried to present my suspicious of Gaspar and the only reaction i got was from Lewwyn. The only reactions I got to my defense and cases were from Lewwyn. You are just recycling an old attack and wanting it to fit.

I have nothing more to answer to you, Serdoa, because you already discarded everything I said as just meaningless noise. There's nothing more I can say, because I can't make things up. If you want me to answer something, please ask me straightforwardly. Your attack against me is just as general/empty as you accuse my defense of being.

[Rowain]

Well, maybe they are suicidal? Maybe they simply didn't want to lose a PR on Day 1? Maybe they assumed that Bigger had enough people suspecting him that it wouldn't be that obvious for others?

Or maybe they were simply taken by the events and reacted without thinking enough about it first? After all the events all happened in a really short time-span. I could see how someone could make a bad play there unintenionally.

And I really wonder why I need to tell you that... or why you seem to be told quite a few things this game.

I wonder why you would believe that. Afterall if Bigger turns out innocent and thestick is later lynched and revealed wolf they would be extremly obvious and lose not 1 but 3 wolves. I wonder why I have to point that out to you.

[Injera]

I'm not caught up, and it's going to take a while (16 pages). My reason for voting Ichabod is that we do have some similar behaviors in hunting scum. Particularly, we both focus on "little" tells in absence of larger ones when we don't have anything to work on, like I did early in the day with Gaspar. Crucially, though, he hasn't seemed to have graduated from the little tells to the big tells, when there's a whole lot of what I would consider "big" ideas going around.

Time to read up.

[Ichabod]

I don't know if anyone has raised the idea that zak might have been killed off, in preference to other high-profile targets, specifically because of his anti-Ichabod post. Specifically, the fact it could be used to mount a reasonably effective attack without zak there to clarify points, or back down later.
Indeed, most of the arguments against Ichabod seem to be pulled directly from zak's post, which is making me slightly suspicious of the whole wagon...

Lewwyn is the only one that expressed his case against me. All the others voted/suspected for me even before Lewwyn made his case, only based on Zakalwe (Serdoa, I believe, only voted after Lewwyn). How can I defend against these invisible cases, which haven't been made even though I asked people to do them?

Novice can't talk, so I'll excuse him for now. But Gaspar and Injera are just sailing, sailing. Bigger also said that I'm a "screaming wolf" without anything to back it up.

[Serdoa]

Rowain, what if they events were going too fast for them? Wouldn't that be a good reason to simply do the normal thing = switch to the next in line? I mean we all act here all the time as if the wolves would play without any fault all the time. And thats obviously not the case, see Day1. I'm not sure if I as a wolf would not have voted Bigger, simply because "A wolf would never do that"...

[Tasunke]

True, the Bigger BW didn't happen until 10 minutes till lynch.

[Rowain]

Sareln and uberfish had sometime between Matts claim and their switch so no moving too fast there.

[Ichabod]

I'm not caught up, and it's going to take a while (16 pages). My reason for voting Ichabod is that we do have some similar behaviors in hunting scum. Particularly, we both focus on "little" tells in absence of larger ones when we don't have anything to work on, like I did early in the day with Gaspar. Crucially, though, he hasn't seemed to have graduated from the little tells to the big tells, when there's a whole lot of what I would consider "big" ideas going around.

Time to read up.

YOU ACCUSE ME OF NOT HAVING FOUND BIG IDEAS?!?!?? WOULD IT BE BECAUSE YOUR BIG IDEA IS TO SUSPECT ME!?!?!? WHAT ARE THOSE BIG IDEAS THAT YOU REFER TO!?!?

You want me to have big ideas?

1. I HAVE A BIG IDEA

2. I HAVE ANOTHER BIG IDEA

3. I HAVE A THIRD BIG IDEA

That's exactly what you are doing here and very similar to what Gaspar done before, in that post where he suspected me and Mattimeo while telling that the cases on Sareln and Qgqqqq were noise. He also said he had a lot of good leads straight from day 1, but he didn't present them...

Wtf, how am I the only one seeing this?

[Injera]

YOU ACCUSE ME OF NOT HAVING FOUND BIG IDEAS?!?!?? WOULD IT BE BECAUSE YOUR BIG IDEA IS TO SUSPECT ME!?!?!? WHAT ARE THOSE BIG IDEAS THAT YOU REFER TO!?!?

No, I'm not accusing you of not having big ideas. I am accusing you of not paying attention to the larger patterns of the game.

At the start of the day, we had just caught a wolf. That means a lot of things to think about and reflect on. You went after uberfish for scare quotes.

[Ichabod]

No, I'm not accusing you of not having big ideas. I am accusing you of not paying attention to the larger patterns of the game.

At the start of the day, we had just caught a wolf. That means a lot of things to think about and reflect on. You went after uberfish for scare quotes.

I hope you realize how unfair this is. Everyone just reads past what I say about suspicious people and you come up with this. Like if I have spent this whole day talking about Uberfish, when everything I did was a bit altercation with him.

And, please, go and enlighten me about the big meanings of the day 1 lynch. Please. Interesting that you waited until after a lot of bandwagons were formed and 2/3 hours for the game to end to come and talk about the meanings of day 1 lynch. Why not speak before? And I don't see you speaking anything right now either.

And as much as you want to not see, defending myself is a good thing I'm making to the village. At this moment and through all day 2, it was the best thing I could do.

Still waiting for your day 1 insights that don't have anything related to lynch me... You know, the things I should have caught on.