WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[Catwalk]

He could. I mean, people are able to do tallies for themselves, without needing Brick for it. You might not be able to play without someone to piggyback, but thats not true for everyone.

He could, but he probably didn't. It was very evident that he was a deer in headlights all day, it's a plausible explanation that he kept being one until he hung. Several people asked for tallies, it's not an uncommon thing. Are you disputing that people are generally lazy?

[novice]

[*]I'd recommend novice gets out whatever he has to say tonight.

I don't know that I have any further insights to share at the moment, unfortunately.

[*]Disagree with the idea that the Sareln lynch is NBD. He contributed a lot more than some of the folks saying its NBD. Its NBD in the context of winning/losing but to me he was obviously innocent. Scum just don't try that hard.

NBD = No Big Deal? Who says it's no big deal?

I don't think we should get so caught up in voting trends when we only know 2 players alignments for sure - there's a lot we don't know yet. It'll be more useful in 2-3 days after we have some more confirms.

Yeah I guess this is sound advice. Hope you can dig up some scumtells not based on voting, then.

From the same post, day 2:

I don't get the Sareln thing - just seems everyone trying to be too clever. He did a ton of scumhunting last night, that struck me as very villagery.

Indeed. Since I'm quoting him, here's my read on Gaspar so far: I agree with the observations he makes, especially in hindsight. He doesn't push much though. For me this is consistent with a villager Gaspar that is actually on top of his game but doesn't have quite enough time.

Of course you don't have to be TT or Tasunke to come up with a scummier interpretation, but my feeling right now is akin to Uberfish - either playing a good scum game, or a valuable asset to the village. I don't think we should start to paranoia lynch yet.

[Jkaen]

Ok got to lynch time in my read through, I had accessed the thread on the way back from the pub (Wednesday is my pool night) and seems I didnt realise it was a 3 way race, not a 2 way. Would like to guess I still would have voted the same way

[Catwalk]

Also, I like the part where I ask if anyone wants to join me on Ichabod and clarifying the vote mechanics followed by Serdoa voting Sareln, regretting it and it somehow all being my fault. If either Ichabod or pindicator turns wolf, I see a very obvious explanation for that course of events. But without proof of either of those, I acknowledge that he may well simply have been confused and paranoid.

[Jkaen]

Official Lynch Vote Count

Sareln - 8 - Mattimeo, Arromir, tasunke, Merovech, Molach, Pindicator, Twinkletoes89, Serdoa
Pindicator - 7 - Rowain, Sareln, Ichabod, uberfish, novice, Meiz, Catwalk
Ichabod - 5 - Lewwyn, Injera, Gaspar, Qgqqqqq, Jkaen
uberfish - 3 - Azza, Bigger, Waterbat
Qgqqqqq - 1 - Selrahc

People under heavy suspicion during the day:
Sareln, Pindicator, Ichabod, Uberfish, Selrahc.

I have the feeling as I was worried about that the wolves say to it that the Selrahc case was nicely forgotten

[Jkaen]

I don't know if this still applies JKaen, but feel free to confront me with everything and anything.

You made 2 argumentsd there essentially.

1. Sarelns case on pindicator was the same as what Sareln did.
Since that I have realised it was actually different so I agree with you now

2. The sareln bandwagon was a phantom bandwagon.
Maybe I misunderstand the term phantom BW, but I believe the votes on his were very real and took him heavily into the lead. Is phantom bandwagon not where people talk about voting somebody a lot but dont actually vote?

[Jkaen]

General thoughts:

• Find the mislynch unsurprising. But I stuck with the candidate whose guilt I was most certain of.
  
• Disagree with the idea that the Sareln lynch is NBD. He contributed a lot more than some of the folks saying its NBD. Its NBD in the context of winning/losing but to me he was obviously innocent. Scum just don't try that hard.
  
• I feel suitably chastened that I've not brought my A-game. Going to force a reread of day 2 and see what shakes out. I can and should do better.
  
• I'd recommend novice gets out whatever he has to say tonight.
  

Gaspar what does NBD mean?

[novice]

2. The sareln bandwagon was a phantom bandwagon.
Maybe I misunderstand the term phantom BW, but I believe the votes on his were very real and took him heavily into the lead. Is phantom bandwagon not where people talk about voting somebody a lot but dont actually vote?

I wasn't saying that the Sareln bandwagon was phantom, I was saying that Bigger's alleged Pindicator bandwagon was phantom. I was responding to this post by Bigger:

novice - is not Sareln's case on Pindicator that Pindicator did the exact same thing Sareln did? Sareln didn't really defend himself from that accusation, yet later starts a case against Pindicator for the exact same thing?

also, why are you herding for Sareln? I don't understand how he has gone from overwhelming lynch favorite to being able to start his own dogpile so quickly... I don't like how much help he's getting either.

With "It was a phantom bandwagon on Pindicator".

What I was trying to say was that it was absurd to claim that Sareln had started a dogpile on Pindicator - Pindicator had not received many votes at that time, at least that was my impression. I think we were far from the closest vote tally at that point.

By the way, I can't parse this sentence:

I have the feeling as I was worried about that the wolves say to it that the Selrahc case was nicely forgotten

[Jkaen]

I raised earlier in the game that my suspicions about Selrahc were being ignored, at the time you then voted for Selrahc again (I did note not many people followed you on).

As the day then progressed, there was lots of talk about the other candidates, but nothing on Selrahc, hence the votes slowly drifted away, and I noted some even say they found him suspicious but there wasnt the interest.

This makes me wonder if the wolves made sure there was lots of talk about sareln/pind/ichabod/your post restriction to divert attention away from Selrahc

[Serdoa]

He could, but he probably didn't. It was very evident that he was a deer in headlights all day, it's a plausible explanation that he kept being one until he hung. Several people asked for tallies, it's not an uncommon thing. Are you disputing that people are generally lazy?

What has it to do what people generally are? I don't care what they generally are. I don't even dispute that they are generally lazy. I dispute your statement that thestick couldn't know the current tally shortly before he got lynched. He got lynched catwalk - if he was around I would be very surprised if he did not keep a tally. But thats just my believe. Matter of fact is that we do not know.