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WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

Ouch, bad break for the village. GG Bigger and Serdoa.
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GG bigger & serdoa.
Brick, do we get to know which was targeted and which was killed by suicide? Or is that not info we get to have?


Catwalk Wrote:You don't need to be convinced that one player is innocent or that another is guilty. You just need enough to make a guess. If you refuse to make a guess, you're allowing wolf votes to count more. That's what frustrated me about yesterday's vote, there weren't enough votes on the lead candidate for him to have a reasonable chance of hanging.

Catwalk, you really don't need to follow novice or anybody else around. Because this is a really fucking good point, and one I hadn't thought about.


waterbat Wrote:Pindicator - didn't you do one of these by hand the first time you played? a very good spreadsheet that showed what the score was when each person made their vote and the time remaining to lynch deadline. In one of your posts this game, I must have misunderstood that this is what you were going to do.

Yes, I am trying to keep it up. My problem is I am trying to add to it and am putting way too much in it. I'm not just tracking voting this time, so maybe I need to just add voting for now and if I want to add to it later I can do so then.

Oh, and I'm also actually reading day 2 because I didn't the first time. It's time consuming and i just am getting back to it from a break.

I'm at post 850, so ... I have a ways to go still.
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Serdoa dying first in the write up somewhat implies that mafia's actual target was Serdoa and they just got lucky. However both of them being listed together in the role flip message is ambiguous and IMO unfairly so.

Brick can you please clarify whom, if anyone, committed suicide? The role description specifies suicide which is traditionally a distinct death condition from being "killed."
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At least we can shelf any theories regarding Bigger being scum. The writeup seems to indicate that the mafia targetted Serdoa, so presumably they didn't plan to reveal Bigger's alignment.

Gaspar, I know from personal experience that if you discover a lover pair as mafia you keep them both alive and kill them off when you need the extra momentum.

Anyway - Rowain.
I have to run.
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pindicator Wrote:GG bigger & serdoa.
Brick, do we get to know which was targeted and which was killed by suicide? Or is that not info we get to have?

Write-up would suggest Serdoa targeted though given Serdoa's impact on the last lynch vote, Bigger makes more sense. Also potentially an attempt to frame day 1 Bigger voters.
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Based on the writeup, it looks like Serdoa was killed and Bigger "suicided" afterwards.
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novice Wrote:Gaspar, I know from personal experience that if you discover a lover pair as mafia you keep them both alive and kill them off when you need the extra momentum.

Thinking about it some more - I'd assume you'd try and get them to hang during the day if you knew as well that was how it worked. I guess the mafia probably just got lucky, though as you say, clearing Bigger doesn't necessarily help them, even if his death does.
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Why Rowain? And no, I don't intend to follow anyone around all day. I still plan on listening to those I feel I can somewhat trust.

I guess there was simply no good reason why thestick didn't switch to Bigger, and I understand a little better now why Serdoa was so defensive about the matter. Who led the push for Bigger on day 1? Other than me alright
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Clarification: Serdoa was killed, so Bigger suicided.
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Catwalk Wrote:Why Rowain?

I refer you to Gaspar's post here on Rowain's day 2 behaviour.
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...post295394

And my post here on Rowains day 1 behaviour.
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...post293423

Rowain's rebuttal here
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...post293428

I got villager vibes from Rowain on night 1 but that was the only time. Those vibes were from his analysis of the day 1 voting.
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