WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[novice]

A few Questions for novice. Please think about them.
a) You praise uberfish as one strong villager here. uberfish defended me several time yet as soon as he is dead you return to vote for me.

b) You moved from Qg on day2. Did his answering my questions influence your decision? Was my questioning helpfull or not?

c) Why do you think the scumkilled Serdoa & uberfish but neither you or Lewwyn.

d) Are you happy with Tasunke joining you on me without any real comment?

a) is not a question
b) it was helpful given that I had a PR
c) They killed Zak and Uber because they were carrying the village. Serdoa was killed for fear of baner protection.
d) Not happy about Tasunke in general.

[novice]

Who are your top candidates Rowain? Is it still Pindicator?

[Rowain]

b) it was helpful given that I had a PR

Then why are my questions considered scumy-play when in fact they have been helpfull?

[Azza]

This sounds weird to me. Are you implying that wolves are protecting the candidates who didn't hang? If so, why on earth would you refrain from pursuing it? I'm guessing you're scum who's getting cold feet about your favourite target because uberfish proclaimed me likely innocent and then got eaten. Specifically, you might come under suspicion for keeping at me. But then Injera threw you a bone and you found it safe to resume.

Day 1 it was thestick and Bigger on the block. Bigger survived and didn't end with a vote on day 2.

Day 2 it was Sareln, Ichabod and Pindicator on the block. Ichabod and Pindicator survived, and neither had a vote on the on day 3.


I don't have much to go off apart from this game, and the trend suggests it'll be very difficult to gain any sort of traction for a lynch on the failed target from the previous day. So I went with someone else I suspect to be mafia, but making it perfectly clear that if a Catwalk bandwagon started to form I'd be right on it.

[Jkaen]

Then why are my questions considered scumy-play when in fact they have been helpfull?

Because you did nothing but question for a prolonged period of time, without given any of your own thoughts away

[Catwalk]

I found them unhelpful because they were delivered (IMO) in a tone of "put up some suspects and arguments or you'll hang" rather than "several players are not contributing, any who are town should start speaking more or you're harming our chances". Which one were you going for?

[Jkaen]

While I am happy with my Rowain vote. I feel I should note to people that the idea of everybody talking less only helps the mafia in general, so lets not have the activity drop of too much.

Also Brick, can you please have the first post fully updated?

[Rowain]

Because you did nothing but question for a prolonged period of time, without given any of your own thoughts away

Nice to see that you feel the need to step and anwer a question I put to novice.

[Gaspar]

Think its pretty evident novice is still alive because of protection fears. Until such time when that is alleviated, I'd expect them to pursue other targets. Given that, the other kills all make pretty reasonable sense. Its a large game, the "why is so and so alive" tells don't really mean much for at least another 2-3 game days/nights.

Going to continue to let this day play out a bit, would really like to hear some general thoughts from some of lurkingest lurkers in that time.

[Meiz]

I was indeed upset. I was getting pretty frustrated with the game in general

That's the thing, I don't understand why your getting so frustrated regarding this game. I don't think you've been accused unfairly. It's just way over the top and makes me think it's an excuse for less contributions.

and those two arguments are unfair. I explained the "useless" one, but the other one- if Injera was a wolf he would be a cautious one- well, there's no reason to say how you would expect me to play as a wolf, everyone has seen it the last three games. A vigorous defense of thestick is not my wolf MO. If you make the case that I'm a wolf that intentionally mixed things up my fourth time as a wolf, you'd be wrong, but it would make some sense.

It might be just different personalities / way of looking at these games, but still not getting why you'd get so upset... I don't think Ichabod was unpolite in any way. If you are a villager, it would make more sense to just counter the arguments. Instead you make a big number how unfair Ichabod was.

As for the novice vote, I was drunk and what he said sounded incredibly callous, and somewhat knowing of how things were going to shake out. Uberfish noticed it too. I hadn't really thought about it until now, looking at it now that comment still feels off to me:

This was 12 hours before the lynch. Up to that point thestick still hadn't gotten any sizable amounts of votes on him.

Don't get it. It's day 1, thestick has made two posts. I thought he was a villager. I don't see how novices comment is "knowing how things are going to shake out". Btw. thestick was a wolf, shouldn't that change your view for this post? Injera

However it just struck me that Merovech was probably not pushed by mafia, but rather suicided by making up that claim. So if Catwalk indeed is scum, he was saved be a lucky break rather than tactical wise-guy voting. So since there was no active moves to save him, mabye he is village? I wasn't around for the lynching, do people think that Catwalk would have been hanged if merovech had remained cool?

Makes me lean even more on Catwalk = villager.

So my straightforward take on novice; He went for thestick early. Mafia would probably have liked a nice, meaningless "2 most vocal/stupid villagers on the line for lynch" first day.

Agreed.

Not too sure about Meiz' restriction last day. He's neutral in my book so far, middle of the pack in post count. So not sure why they desperately needed him shut up. Mabye...to give him village cred? Only goodfellas would do that to one another. So I am a bit suspicious of him because of this.

I don't believe my contributions made them desperately think "we need to shut him". If that would be the case, night killing would make more sense. I'd bet the idea is to confuse/direct the village away from scumhunting, or something along that line.