WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[novice]

Btw Thestick was the first person to vote Mattimeo. At the time Bigger had three votes, and Thestick had five villagers voting for him. (me, Zak, Bigger, Merovech, Serdoa). Not sure what it says about Mattimeo's guilt, though.

Great, another Day 1, another call for my head. I think I'm working too hard on weekends. Back, but spent an hour or so reading this thread, I need sleep to think this stuff over.

So too questions are a sign of wolfishness? Okay...

On the 'waterbat and Rowain comment': waterbat's first post, screaming that I AM A VILLAGER in all caps, stood out. Rowain roleplaying as the town drunk felt a bit off.

Minor Quote Oddities:


"I suspect Tasunke for no reason, except for this reason that I'm bringing up now."



I'm starting to agree with Jkaen here.



I'm not sure what to make of this comment.



I'm tempted to call that wolfish, recognizing the usual patterns of village behavior and blending in. Then again, admitting that you recognize the pattern and still following it doesn't seem like something a wolf would do.

Mild Suspicions:
-Mattimeo, for his two posts being a quick check in followed by a metagaming post saying that 'Tasunke's role claim doesn't clear him.'
-Sareln, for voting Lewwyn for mayor and agreeing with his proposals without much explanation as to why he trusted Lewwyn so much.. Also, Sareln's Wifi post.
-Rowain, for not saying much.

Neutral Oddities:
-Gaspar starting off two posts by calling them 'lazy wolf posts.'
-Serdoa's string of posts explaining things for other people stands out for some reason.

Other Thoughts:
-I haven't been able to grasp the Injera/Gaspar show.

Major x-post.

[novice]

Btw Thestick was the first person to vote Mattimeo. At the time Bigger had three votes, and Thestick had five villagers voting for him. (me, Zak, Bigger, Merovech, Serdoa). Not sure what it says about Mattimeo's guilt, though.

Major x-post.

I guess I'm okay with a Mattimeo lynch. If Thestick voted for survival, why not vote Bigger?

[novice]

I guess I'm okay with a Mattimeo lynch. If Thestick voted for survival, why not vote Bigger?

To add to that, why start a new case due to a "mild suspicion" using this very flimsy reasoning:

-Mattimeo, for his two posts being a quick check in followed by a metagaming post saying that 'Tasunke's role claim doesn't clear him.'

Shouldn't he be arguing a case more forcefully?

[novice]

Mattimeo, I think it's time you tell us all about your night actions.

[Meiz]

Well, I think thestick acted convincingly innocent. If I'd had been around, I probably wouldn't have voted him. "Wolves always fight back!", you know...

[Mattimeo]

WEREWOLF

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...22&page=24
here you see Serdoa leave Mattimeo for TheStick. As well as Pindicator starting what would become the Mattyboy BW
here you see Sareln, Serdoa, and Uberfish all jumping on Mattimeo after Pindicator starts off the re-BW.
Or namely, Serdoa left, then returned after pindicator + Sareln jumped on.
And of course Twinkletoes jumps on, our ***8216;probably villager***8217; of the last 10 minutes
***61672; If you can assume for one second that Pindicator (like Merovech) is indeed village, then this is an entirely village-based Bandwagon. I say entirely because while thestick is on here, he was on way early as a ***8220;safe***8221; wolfvswolf vote.
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=256
and here Mattimeo shows much regret for voting TheStick. Regret for voting a fellow wolf to his doom?
Perhaps here is when the true TheStick bus started. Earlier I had falsely given myself credit for ***8220;saving***8221; mattimeo from a wolf-push ***8230; but here and now I see things differently.
1. Mattimeo was voted on by villagers
2. TheStick had some ***8216;heavy hitting***8217; voters on him
3. Bussing the stick would gain some villager cred for ***8216;saving***8217; Matt.
4. They could have taken some time to decide in the wolf thread who they***8217;d rather save- Matt or Stick. In the end they chose Matt, perhaps with agreement from TheStick, as you later see Stick simply not voting.
5. Stick not voting could have also been designed to make Bigger look more guilty
6. Merovech, who scummily jumped off Stick, turned village. Who is to say Pind won***8217;t flip village either? Therefore, as all ***8220;saving***8221; attempts seem to be of village origin, Stick MUST have been bussed.
7. Why would stick be bussed if everyone else was innocent? More likely that someone was wolf. Who are the people that got a lot of votes on Day 1? Mattimeo, Tasunke, TheStick, Bigger.
***61672; We know TheStick was wolf, and he got lynched. We know Bigger was innocent. I***8217;m at least 60% sure that I***8217;m innocent ***8230; so that Leaves Mattimeo.
8. As others have said, Mattyboy***8217;s claim is starting to look more and more suspicious. Nothing particularly telling in and of itself, but combined with the rest it seems closer and closer to sticking a noose around his neck.
9. Then mattimeo makes this offer here http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....count=1767
Which, to me, looks like a pro-village post ***8230; but not necessarily from a villager. Notice how I said ***8220;regardless of alignment***8221; as even then it looked more like a bluff than a helpful villager, but I still liked how he was ***8216;keeping us***8217; from revealing power roles. I mean, it is not like the village is guaranteed any useful roles ***8230; but still.
I mean think about this from the perspective of if Mattimeo is a wolf. In THIS case, the wolves would HAVE to know that there is ***8216;no baner***8217; as no one called Matt out on Day 1 or Day 2. (iirc)
If there is no baner, then the wolves probably won***8217;t care all that much about keeping the other powers from revealing. And look at blood brothers! If anything we village seem only to get weak, hindrance weakness roles. I mean yes, the 2 kill thing could be a way of countering the mason thing ***8230; but would 2 non-weak masons really be such a bad thing? I guess it***8217;s a way to keep them from claiming, but still ***8230;
All this put together, it seems like post 1767 was more ***8216;well crafted***8217; to look like village than an actual villager. I mean HELL! If I was a baner I***8217;d be trying like mad to explain either A) why I protected those I did, or B) explaining why I hadn***8217;t used any shots yet. See WW12 for my Watcher reports. (I think it was 12 anyways). And yes, not all villagers act like me (and probably a good thing eh? :P) but STILL! I think a villager would be a bit more nervous about the Shadow wagon that seems to be looming over Matt***8217;s head.

No ***8230;. I think Mattimeo may be just bluffing and playing it cool until the pressure is over.

therefore Mattimeo

***821[67];

I agree, Tasunke, I used the whole 10 minutes between Catwalk's post and my response to finely craft that "oh, with a statement like this I could never be a wolf" line.

And that whole hour between the Day 1 wagon on me *starting* and my claim was definitely spent in detailed discussion in the wolf thread about what a believable role claim would be, too.

:rolleyes:

Still thinking claiming targets would give scum more info than town at this point. Still have a day for you to come to your senses, will do it later if needs be.

Not entirely nervous about the wagon - more frustrated. Don't know there are many more points I can make in defence, so the fact I'm not getting through irks me slightly.

[Mattimeo]

x-post novice: response in above post

[Ichabod]

I see no point in lynching Mattimeo now. We risk a lot and there's nothing much to gain. He already claimed a role, with the game moving forward, a lot of info will be revealed that can make his claim more or less believable. He's already tied up to that. And it won't give us good info.

Rowain made some good posts today, even though he suspects me. Meiz made good posts too, even though his post restriction pings on me (Novice also is pinging, but just like my reasoning for Mattimeo, lynching them now would be a bad move).

Arromir seems to be heading for a modkill (just skimmed thread, maybe wrong), so what's the point in voting for him...

I'd be on board with lynching a lot of people, because I think we lack info to make good guesses/reasonings.....

I was thinking about voting Injera right now. But while I think this is a good idea, something is cooking in my mind. I really wouldn't mind of voting Novice right now. If he hadn't made that early vote for thestick, I'd be really up for lynching him and he really seems to be holding on to that (I'm probably not the only one basing Novice's innocence only on that). Everytime he attacks me, something seems to be missing, He's been talking of lynching me since forever, based on Zak's read, but he lacks the villager killing eye, like if he's afraid that my mislynch will reveal his cover.

Besides, the whole idea of voting Mattimeo right now is very bad. How can someone be up for that? Even admitting that I haven't read all the accusations against him, my reasoning above is obvious and everyone should notice it.

I'll probably not vote Novice because I'm a coward and if he's villager I'll kick myself too much. But I'll live this here for posterity, since the way things are going, sometime I'll be dead.

Well, whatever. I'm torn right now between Catwalk and Injera. I think I see Injera as more suspicious, but Catwalk will probably give more info when lynched (good or bad vibes for Lewwyn, Novice and Gaspar).

Catwalk.

[Ichabod]

Besides, regarding Mattimeo claim, with what we have of power roles so far (the very powerful one for the wolves and the OMG BAD of the village), his one surely fits.

[Meiz]

Well, I'd be up for Injera as well if the consensus is that Matt can wait.