WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[Catwalk]

Qg, Meiz was arguing that not going after Sareln or Bigger suggests you're leaning innocent.

[Mattimeo]

We ahve a tracker who screams out what his results were. I at least expected his 'null-read' to be a trap to catch a Cloaker who claims to have done nothing. As it is I do believe that both are true or to be precise out of the various possibilites I can imagine I think thats the most likely one.

I actually don't quite get the logic here.

Surely, regardless of what role or alignment I am, I would be honestly claiming who I targetted. Or honestly stating I targetted no-one if I was lying, and didn't have an ability that targets. How does this entail a trap?


note to self: stop playing Devil's Advocate to people pointing out that you're probably town

[Catwalk]

I bugged pindicator, Mattimeo, and Catwalk respectively

This keeps "bugging" me. Why would he bug pindicator first? We just had a sketchy role claim which was quite heavily contested, and ultimately dismissed on grounds that it was too risky to test his claim by lynching. Why on earth would he bug pindicator instead? And after getting nothing on Mattimeo D2, why didn't he stay with him again? Those plays make zero sense to me.

It's possible he just made bad calls, but it's also possible they're both wolves and he's sticking his neck out to save Mattimeo. His post about Mattimeo confirming him (Injera) fits into that, as there's no way for Mattimeo to confirm Injera's claim. This all smells scummy to me.

[novice]

Catwalk... Is investigating village power roles the only use you can imagine for a tracker?

[novice]

Random thought: One possible explanation for the wolves audacious kills is that they have a roleblocker. It's possible that Mattimeo wouldn't know that he has been roleblocked, given his claimed actions.

[Rowain]

I actually don't quite get the logic here.

Surely, regardless of what role or alignment I am, I would be honestly claiming who I targetted. Or honestly stating I targetted no-one if I was lying, and didn't have an ability that targets. How does this entail a trap?


note to self: stop playing Devil's Advocate to people pointing out that you're probably town

I was rather thinking that Injera had gotten a read of you (ie he has watched you going somewhere) and used the null-read to lure you to a 'I didn't do anything'- statement. That would have been the trap.

But you are quite right if you are just a standard wolf who didn't do any nightactions you are save to claim null-reads anyway so Injera a notch towards villager and you stay scummy .

[Catwalk]

No, investigating scummy power roles is also an excellent use. In order to catch a night kill he has to hit the wolf making the kill, whereas here he has a disputed power role that may well be made up.

One problem with the whole busting/confirming Mattimeo approach is that he may well have a cloaking ability which either does what he says it does (but he is scum) or does something else (and he is scum). The only way to catch Mattimeo would be to catch him lying, and it seems that chance has been wasted

[Rowain]

@catwalk I can imagine Injeras reasoning and don't find his use that absurd *. Mattimeos use of his power is a different kind.


*No I won't outline it.

[Jkaen]

So it seems a reasonable argument to give Matt/Injera another day and see what falls out.

We are also giving Selrahc this day off I believe as his computer should be fixed up tomorrow.

As much as I hate to say it, I agree with Ichabod, the person who my gut most says in Mafia right now is Novice. But again right now I am scared to push the vote for risk of being wrong.

So thats 4 suspect I am giving the day off to.

Can somebody explain what became unfashionable about the Pindicator lynch?

(Despite lots of catwalks ideas being crazy, they are not that different from what I would expect from him as a villager)

[Jkaen]

Random thought: One possible explanation for the wolves audacious kills is that they have a roleblocker. It's possible that Mattimeo wouldn't know that he has been roleblocked, given his claimed actions.

You can argue over the word classic but:

- This game will have lesser-seen powers. The roles I have drawn up and run by my testers are ones either not often or never before seen in RB werewolf games. That also means that you will not be seeing common roles here, and I can state for a fact that there will be no classic seer, baner, or roleblocker roles, as they are often included in games here.