WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[Jkaen]

Brick as well as linking to the turn resolution posts, is it possible to link (or show) the final lynch tallies please?

[waterbat]

Thanks for that. Injera claiming for self-defense apparent there. I had thought it was coinciding with move from Matt. I guess it was that his claim came with a strong support of matt (a way to verify his ability or a reason to delay. So instead, let's look at those who became injera voters during that span. Just llewyn and you as Meiz, Gaspar, pindicator were already on it. Hmmm.

Injera, why claim with only 5/19 votes? With that much time left, you weren't in imminent danger.

[waterbat]

X-posts with jkaen.

[waterbat]

Hmm messed that up a bit didnt I



These are actually me getting a mafia lean on Pind, Novice & TT. The fact that 2 of those jump off Mattiemo first I found an interesting coincidence

That's how I read it, jkaen. Now that the day is done, how is your feeling about those 3?

[Qgqqqqq]

Seeing as im online (and nothings happening) could someone post the case against me?

Just so it (and my defence) are not lost in yesterdays chaos.

[novice]

Player list: (in order of signup)
17 players left, at least 4 are wolves.

1) novice: the Secretary
2) Injera: the Electrician
3) Meiz: the Firefighter
5) Qgqqqqq: the Student
6) Rowain: the Town drunk
7) Molach: the Street musician
8) Azza: the Mechanic
9) Waterbat: the Clergy
10) Pindicator: the Lawyer
14) Ichabod: the Pizza Delivery Boy
17) tasunke: the Librarian
19) Lewwyn: the Garbage collector
21) Catwalk: the Bureaucrat
22) Gaspar: the Carpenter
23) Jkaen: the Olive Picker
25) Selrahc: the Knife smith
26) Twinkletoes89: the Barber

Dead people:
18) thestick: the Mailman - Mafia - Lynched Day 1
4) zakalwe: the Farmer - Village - Killed night 1
16) Sareln: the Psychiatrist - Village - Lynched Day 2
12) Serdoa: the Chef - Village - Killed night 2
13) Bigger: the Milkman - Village - Suicided night 2
11) Merovech: the Bartender - Village - Lynched day 3
20) uberfish: the Barrel-maker - Village - Killed night 3
24) Mattimeo: the Wine connoisseur - Mafia - Lynched Day 4
15) Arromir: the Newspaper Editor- Village - Modkilled Day 4

DAY ONE

thestick - 9 - zakalwe, novice, Bigger, tasunke, Mattimeo, Arromir, Serdoa, Twinkletoes89, Molach
Bigger - 8 - Rowain, Lewwyn, Injera, Jkaen, Sareln, Merovech, uberfish, Catwalk
Injera - 2 - Gaspar, Waterbat
Waterbat - 1 - Azza
uberfish - 1 - Qgqqqqq
Gaspar - 1 - Selrahc
Jkaen - 1 - Meiz
Merovech - 1 - Pindicator

Players not voting: Ichabod, thestick

Mayor vote:

zakalwe - 9 - Pindicator, Lewwyn, Meiz, zakalwe, Bigger, tasunke, Serdoa, Molach, Arromir
novice - 4 - novice, Jkaen, Catwalk, Qgqqqqq
Rowain - 4 - uberfish, Azza, Mattimeo, Rowain
Lewwyn - 2 - Sareln, Twinkletoes89
uberfish - 2 - thestick, Gaspar
Meiz - 1 - Merovech
Serdoa - 1 - Injera
Waterbat - 1 - Waterbat

Players not voting: Ichabod, Selrahc

DAY TWO

Sareln - 8 - Mattimeo, Arromir, tasunke, Merovech, Molach, Pindicator, Twinkletoes89, Serdoa
Pindicator - 7 - Rowain, Sareln, Ichabod, uberfish, novice, Meiz, Catwalk
Ichabod - 5 - Lewwyn, Injera, Gaspar, Qgqqqqq, Jkaen
uberfish - 3 - Azza, Bigger, Waterbat
Qgqqqqq - 1 - Selrahc

Players not voting: None

Mayor vote:

novice - 12 - Merovech, Rowain, Injera, Jkaen, Molach, Meiz, Mattimeo, novice, Gaspar, uberfish, Catwalk, Ichabod
Lewwyn - 8 - Sareln, Qgqqqqq, Bigger, Azza, tasunke, Arromir, Lewwyn, Waterbat
Serdoa - 2 - Twinkletoes89,
Bigger - 1 - Pindicator

Players not voting: Selrahc

DAY THREE

Merovech - 9 - uberfish, Catwalk, Waterbat, Mattimeo, novice, Meiz, Rowain, Gaspar, Azza
Catwalk - 7 - Lewwyn, Pindicator, Qgqqqqq, Twinkletoes89, Ichabod, Merovech, Injera
Rowain - 1 - tasunke
Selrahc - 1 - Jkaen

Players not voting: Arromir, Molach, Selrahc

DAY FOUR

Mattimeo - 8 - novice, Waterbat, Catwalk, Meiz, Ichabod, Rowain, Twinkletoes89, Molach
Qgqqqqq - 5 - Selrahc, tasunke, Gaspar, Jkaen, Mattimeo
Injera - 2 - Qgqqqqq, Pindicator
Catwalk - 2 - Injera, Azza
Selrahc - 1 - Lewwyn

Arromir was mod-killed for inactivity.

[novice]

Tasunke, you were on the first Mattimeo bandwagon. Why didn't you get on the second one?

[Rowain]

Impressions:
The buildup on Mattimeo was very organic.
I think Injera claimed to clear himself, not to save Mattimeo.
Ichabod's reasoning for shutting down the Mattimeo wagon made sense at the time. Gaspar and Pindicator seemed to work against the Mattimeo wagon. Jkaen was hesitant to get on.

Thanks for your analyses and for answering my questions . I agree with your conclusions.

Injera, why claim with only 5/19 votes? With that much time left, you weren't in imminent danger.

Well that is bordering on unfair If he waits longer then it is 'Hey why did you wait so long with your claim'.
(Disclaimer thisis not a Injera is a villager post - it is only this specific point that I find unfair)

I am pretty sure we have been through this before, but ok.

The main section that I think you refer to that I found scummy was where you had lots of posts all in a row asking questions.

Me asking questions is how I get a feel for people. The questions and his answers are the reason why I voted Mattimeo and not Qg yesterday. Without them I would not have gotten the village-impression of Qg I had because his other play was/is rather scummy.
I also think that my questioning Qg plays a role why novice thought him village enough to lynch the cloaker. (Don't forget novice voted for Qg before I started my questioning).

Besides and this is a point of interest for me: On day 2 I stated my case vs Pind but although pindi got a lot of votes you were not on him. On day 4 I stated the same case again and now you were happy to campaign for his hanging. What changed your mind?
(and no this is not an accussation - IMO it makes it hard to see you both as scum and at the moment I would rather lynch pindi than you).

[Jkaen]

That's how I read it, jkaen. Now that the day is done, how is your feeling about those 3?

Well we now know they were both wolves, but truth is I am not sure that chanegs things that much.

One theory (and its only that) goes that everybody knows day 1 is crazy and more than normal votes swing heavily in the last few hours (see yesterday for evidence of that). Hence why not as wolves buy a bit of cover and bring up 2 suspects early and get trains going on them, knowing at least one if not both will fail. Hence there were wolves pushing on both trains.

I struggle to believe wolves couldn't have got a villager up there earlier if they wanted to, hence I think at least 1 train is wolf made.

Based on closing minutes of day 2, I dont think Novice and Pind can be wolves together, and as much as I feel uncomfortable doing it, I guess novices push to get Matt means he gets village cred, hence I still suspect Pind.

TT feels a bit all over the place, but again he was pushing for Matt, hence again villager credit there

[Jkaen]

Thanks for your analyses and for answering my questions . I agree with your conclusions.



Well that is bordering on unfair If he waits longer then it is 'Hey why did you wait so long with your claim'.
(Disclaimer thisis not a Injera is a villager post - it is only this specific point that I find unfair)


Me asking questions is how I get a feel for people. The questions and his answers are the reason why I voted Mattimeo and not Qg yesterday. Without them I would not have gotten the village-impression of Qg I had because his other play was/is rather scummy.
I also think that my questioning Qg plays a role why novice thought him village enough to lynch the cloaker. (Don't forget novice voted for Qg before I started my questioning).

Besides and this is a point of interest for me: On day 2 I stated my case vs Pind but although pindi got a lot of votes you were not on him. On day 4 I stated the same case again and now you were happy to campaign for his hanging. What changed your mind?
(and no this is not an accussation - IMO it makes it hard to see you both as scum and at the moment I would rather lynch pindi than you).

Day 2 I missed the last 6 or 7 hours of the day, and wanted Selrahc. On way back from the pub I see Ichabod and Pind (missed that Sareln was up there too) as options, decide to trust the 'vets' and follow their gut onto Ichabod.

Didn't really read the Pind story until night 2, and the suspicion to me has alot to do with all the blue names appearing on thestick which we didnt know back then