WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[Injera]

Hmm, how did you screw up your own claim? Did you only switch from Tracker to Follower once it became evident there was already a Tracker? :P

No, if you read my claim post you'll see I described it exactly as it works, however I mistakenly called it a "tracker" when that wasn't what it actually was. That created some confusion and of course brought Qg out.

[Molach]

Tasunke - post 36? Day 5? Sorry dont comprehend.

However crossposted with your 2279 post which makes a bit more sense.

And I missed the fact that Injera can be a mafia follower, which means he didn't have to lie about results. But he claimed tracker, I'm sure one of his friendly neighbourhood wolves would have informed him that his role was 'follower'. The 'false' claim made him seem guilty.

Mafia cannot let Injera live forever, but mabye a few days to play up the 'must be scum since he's still alive' angle.

Tonight Injera has to select 1 out of 14 who is not just mafia, but also selected for the nightkill. Next night 1 out of 12, then 1 of 10. Only 25% chance to follow the right person. Smart guessing (like pindicator will not nightkill as he's seen as suspicious) will tip the odds towards finding one, but still.

... but on the other hand, there are always the Selrahc/Azza/Molach lurkers. Perhaps we should start by lynching all the lurkers? I still think Ichabod is a bit safer for now though.

I don't think we have the tempo required to policy lynch all lurkers, no. Vigilante kills, yes. Mabye investigating too. Azza, if you are villager Injera just 'wasted' a following on you because of low content. (And hi, kettle).

And for making a vote & statement last day that was in light of the revelation fishy, and for not adding yet even though wednesday is gone & passed, I vote Selrahc. Not only for policy.

And I start my fall vacation next week, all 5 days with no work and all play, so if I don't add more then by all means make a policy lynch then.

[Jkaen]

sorry, what I meant was that if the wolves decided to kill Qqqqq it was ONLY out of fear of his night-ability. Which means that if they do not deal with Injera in the same manner, that means either Injera is a wolf OR they feel more confident in an Injera mislynch than a Qqqq one ... or they just went out of their way to frame Injera for whatever reason. I mean, perhaps to "craft" him into being more mislynchable than Injera ... but really? If that was the case why not simply let the more mislynchable one live regardless, as they would be FAR easier to frame?

All this aside, while this may appear a primarily recursive game of What would a wolf do ... I think the simplest, and perhaps best explanation is that Injera is indeed a wolf. Now, if everyone suspects him the IRONY is that he WONT get nightkilled on night 5 for that very reason (a frame/set up). STILL though, I think it would be good process to lynch Injera unless he handily finds (and manages to lynch) a wolf fairly soon. Namely in the next two days.

BUT! Lets look at this another way. Between Qqqq and Injera, who would be easier to get mislynched? I personally do not know. If it is Injera, then yes Qqqq was the best nightkill option. I mean, assuming Qqqq had the least suspicion AND was nightkilled, then chances are Injera is a villager. HOWEVER! If Qqqq had the most suspicion and was nightkilled, then Injera is most likely a wolf.

If someone else could determine whom of the two was the most lynchable, we may be able to determine Injera's alignment right here and now.

End of the day Qg could see who somebody visited, and with a lot of powers (post restriction, death) its obvious what that power was.

Injera could only say what the power was, hence I think they killed the stronger PR (not ruling out other reasons for their decision too though)

[Meiz]

Selrahc - had been using his limitied posts to pressure Matt about his claim

You mean these ones?

Can I ask.. has Mattimeo claimed a role name or just a power? Thestick was a "spy", I'd like to know if there is a similar nom de guerre for the cloaker. Is it just cloaker?

(Mattimeo was a cloaker)

+ http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=706

And:

I'll wait to hear from Mattimeo before getting too het up, but I definitely agree that 3 shot cloaker does not fit the role name patterns. At all.

Other than that, he has mostly gone after Qgqq.

What am I missing Injera?

[Catwalk]

At school, no time to post. I can verify that I did nothing when Injera followed me, I'm not claiming I caught him lying or anything like that.

[Injera]

What am I missing Injera?

Being a Tinkerer myself (which was only related to my PR due to fluff), and with a Spy revealed, 3-Shot Cloaker sounded too gamey to be a valid role. I was trying not to spell it out for the wolves, but Selrahc noticed the same thing, which makes me think he likely has some role of his own unless he was just extrapolating from Spy. And if he does, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have made a fuss over it if he's a wolf PR. So there were bigger fish to follow.

[Meiz]

Hmph... I'm seeing it as mild distancing. Just words, not following with votes.

[Injera]

Hmph... I'm seeing it as mild distancing. Just words, not following with votes.

It's a weird critique to make, though. For me that had some serious bite at the time. Thinking about it (later here, so sorry if I say something hare-brained) I didn't consider the aspect that if he knew that was Matt's genuine role name that his critique would be pretty trivial. I guess you did?

[Azza]

The only thing lynching me would do is give the mafia a night where none of their members would survive. It would be a massive waste of a lynch. Lynching a less active player isn't that useful unless there is a clear reason why they're suspicious. I don't believe that anything I've done could be construed as being suspicious, at least not to be lynched.

[Meiz]

It's a weird critique to make, though. For me that had some serious bite at the time. Thinking about it (later here, so sorry if I say something hare-brained) I didn't consider the aspect that if he knew that was Matt's genuine role name that his critique would be pretty trivial. I guess you did?

I don't feel the serious bite. Though maybe because I never found Matt's role name suspicious and didn't get the accusations based on it...
It would have serious bite if he'd make a case how Matt has acted suspicious here and there. Now it's just the name of his role that bothered him and he voted Qgqq over Matt.