WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[Tasunke]

Hmm, true ... this may clear Selrahc for now (the fact that Selrahc was slinging mud on Rowain right before the night kill)

[pindicator]

Got my night result in, I watched Lewwyn with no result.

[Tasunke]

probably thinking that Lewwyn might be a bit more quiet this game due to being a village power role. Follower IS a power-seeker after all (similar to Devil/rolescanner).

Seems like a wolf role to me.

For a moment assuming village follower, what result would you get if you selected the wolf that was doing the killing? Role:Wolf? (I somehow doubt this, but that'd be pretty cool )

[BRickAstley]

Official Lynch Vote Count

Injera - 5 - Gaspar, Twinkletoes89, Azza, tasunke, Waterbat
Selrahc - 2 - Meiz, novice
Azza - 1 - Catwalk
Ichabod - 1 - Lewwyn
Lewwyn - 1 - Ichabod
Jkaen - 1 - Pindicator

Players not voting: Injera, Jkaen, Molach, Selrahc

[Ichabod]

Reading Lewwyn posts again. Some impressions:

1. The time of his attack on me on day 2 don't fit with scum. He attacked me when Sareln was leading 8 to 3 (Catwalk having 3 votes and Lewwyn being on Catwalk). There's no need for scum to put their heads out in such a way in that particular situation. Strong villager tell.

2. There's nothing that suspicious going about, Lewwyn. Even his day 4 play in the Mattimeo lynch is reasonable to expect from a villager. My mais gripe is still that he latched onto his targets since early as day 2 and he isn't letting go.

...

I'm lost, I don't know what to do. We have too many lurkers and too few lynches. We have some players just constantly speaking nonsense. There are some people that, while looking like almost certain villagers, still ring false. And if Lewwyn is not a wolf, me and him, two villagers, are wasting our time going on about revenge voting.

II'm going back to Gaspar. I'll try and read his posts again to see if something rings. Lewwyn rang innocent, so I'll let go of him for now.

[Injera]

Okay, getting caught up. First:

Injera - 5 - Gaspar, Twinkletoes89, Azza, tasunke, Waterbat

Look at those voters. Seriously, just look at them for posterity. Collectively this is probably the most unhinged wagon in the history of WW games here at RB.

So we have two meta arguments going on:
1) Injera is likely villager because follower + watcher more or less duplicate each other
2) Injera is likely scum because follower makes far more sense for scum to have

No matter which one you prefer, I don't think it's enough to declare him leaning innocent or guilty (based on meta alone).

Let's be clear here, Catwalk, 2) is nonsense. Take a fucking inventory of the powers we've seen. So far, not counting me, the village has ONE active power -Qg. If you think I'm a wolf then I'm in the game to catch to catch him. The wolves also have a watcher to check out on whom he watches, and a 3-shot cloaker specifically to prevent him from catching anyone when they need to move. No, I'm a villager. The cloaker directly counters Qg and I and the watcher provides information for the wolves.

Rowain, if you're village and you're honest about never being lynchable there's no reason for you to hold anything back about your role.

Good thing he didn't listen to you.

Solely to keep the vote relatively close, which is when I believe we can learn the most from voting patterns, Injera.

This is an awesome reason to vote for someone. I'm sure you'll update your vote accordingly.

On the basis of play, I find Ichabod to have had more scummy posts than Injera, who looked pretty scummy early on but has just looked checked out since then. But unlike say, novice, who has a fairly lengthy pro-town resume, it seems like Injera has been skating a bit since his reveal. I don't have time for a detailed post analysis probably at all this gameday but I feel like the question needs to be asked. If someone who has more time can look into his post-Matt lynch stuff, I think it'd be useful.

Okay, this is a fair criticism and it's mostly true. However, you can basically make the claim for anyone that's not novice this game.

Quickly - I don't feel like Injera would feel very lynchable for scum if he is innocent. And how quickly they killed Qgqqqqq seems to belie that as well. That'd be some awfully risky scum play that doesn't seem to fit the pattern of the kills to this point.

Every night since my reveal I've had people say they suspect me during the night, this is completely false.

By the way, what were the people you targetted in day 1 and 2 again, Injera? Was it Pindicator than Mattimeo? If Pindicator was targetted day 1, my reasoning above doesn't fit, because Injera would have seen Pindicator applying a PR...

Yeah, I targetted Pindicator, Mattimeo, Catwalk, Azza, and Lewwyn respectively.

whether due to this information, or simply the fact that he was a tracker, he was killed immediately afterwards, despite being seemingly mislychable.

No one said anything accusatory about Qg the night he died. I was getting heat from people during the night, namely Catwalk.

[pindicator]

I cant help but notice selrahc & molach have less posts in thread than zak...

[Injera]

There was one person that dropped jkaen's name after your vote:

Hey waterbat, read those quotes again. I specifically said something about everyone in the list I gave except pindicator who I missed. The list is simply the people alive who didn't vote Mattimeo. And yes, it was rushed due to trying to squeeze it in during football games.

[Injera]

Quickly - I don't feel like Injera would feel very lynchable for scum if he is innocent. And how quickly they killed Qgqqqqq seems to belie that as well. That'd be some awfully risky scum play that doesn't seem to fit the pattern of the kills to this point.

Awfully risky? Well now, they targetted zakalwe and potentially novice on Day 1. Also, what would the purpose of my ability be if I'm a wolf, Gaspar?

[Meiz]

Why Selrahc? I think Ichabod's lurker suspect list is a good place to start. Selrahc at least has claimed to be more active, and has stated a reason for being away. Which of his actions/posts are damning?

Point me to his posts that read villager.

Did not vote thestick. Says he suspected matts roleclaim but still voted qgqq.

There is no damning posts, because his trail is so small. It's his actions and mostly lack of them that I'm voting him for.

Why is his post regarding Rowain a village tell? Novice asked it directly from him.