WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[Azza]

waterbat

[Lewwyn]

Ichabod today.

Gaspar I suggest you actually start with Sareln who has always been lynch bait material. I for one definitely thought he was suspicious before Day 2 but was less so as the day went on. In the end though, I think Sareln was an easy lynch because he's always been considered a bit of a policy lynch and therefore, lynchbait.

But failing that, vote Ichabod.

[Catwalk]

Thirdly, his recent call for all power roles to declare themselves feels really scum. The mafia have just run out of power roles to lynch without any scrutiny, why give them fresh targets? Furthermore, Im sure the villagers who have power roles, if there are any left, will reveal when theyve learned something that gives us a wolf. It'd be silly to learn of a wolf and not share your knowledge.

You're deliberately misreading him here. Why?

Also, Id be happy to lynch Catwalk, mostly for revenge, but also because it strikes me as being a bit weird that he'd go through the first few days without a single original thought, and ever since has just latched onto me and hasn't let go. I think he could be playing a very good game as mafia.

You're also being untruthful here. Trying to play up your accusations to seem helpful?

[Azza]

You're deliberately misreading him here. Why?

I'm not deliberately misreading anyone.

You're also being untruthful here. Trying to play up your accusations to seem helpful?

I don't see how posting my thoughts is being untruthful. If that's the case, I may as well stop posting all together.

[Gaspar]

Gaspar I suggest you actually start with Sareln who has always been lynch bait material. I for one definitely thought he was suspicious before Day 2 but was less so as the day went on. In the end though, I think Sareln was an easy lynch because he's always been considered a bit of a policy lynch and therefore, lynchbait.

I actually forgot Sareln was in this game, since he was killed like 6 real life weeks ago, back when this game started. He is definitely the quintessential lynchbait, which is weird since he's actually a quite good player when engaged, which he was once the light was shone on him.

I think this will require a slightly deeper reread, however. The Merovech train was started by uber, who we know is a villager. Qgqqqqq was mostly novice, but he also actually hung a wolf that day so I don't think that tells us much. I'll rehash Sareln later, but I think I need to change my approach - rather that checking which Bandwagons were started against these guys, it might be more interesting just to check how living players interacted with them - specifically, the sort of hedging "boy, I dunno" interation (scumtell) or a vigorous defense (more noteworthy village tell.)

Anyway, dry so far, but it still gives me something to work with.

[Gaspar]

Oh, and for the time being, Molach. Much as I'd like to ride a different train than novice just for varieties sake, maybe this will at least chase him from the shadows.

[Jkaen]

As I mentioned yesterday I am parking on Novice today.

I think the fear of going after him has lasted far too long

[Lewwyn]

As I mentioned yesterday I am parking on Novice today.

I think the fear of going after him has lasted far too long

Hope you're feeling better Jkaen.

May I interest you in an Ichabod BW instead?

[waterbat]

Thirdly, his recent call for all power roles to declare themselves feels really scum

As indicated, i would get jumped on for it. surprised it took 6 hours.

The mafia have just run out of power roles to lynch without any scrutiny, why give them fresh targets?

Here I'm not sure it isn't an idea which deserves some consideration. The mafia know who the villagers are. They already have the list of targets. If we are trying to catch them, which would we rather have:

mafia targetting villagers randomly at night because they have no "fresh targets"

or

some "obvious" targets among us that we can turn the night kill into info. i.e. the "why isn't injera dead yet?" arguments that were just had in the thread.

Also - Im just saying that some negative results in powers used over the last 6 nights could be as useful as a positive "smoking gun lewwyn cahoots!" result that might never make it to us because the person ends up dead as a result of a "no fresh targets" night kill.

[Catwalk]

Thirdly, his recent call for all power roles to declare themselves feels really scum.

I'm not calling for mass reveal - just please evaluate whether your results might help more if revealed now.

Also, Id be happy to lynch Catwalk, mostly for revenge, but also because it strikes me as being a bit weird that he'd go through the first few days without a single original thought, and ever since has just latched onto me and hasn't let go.

1) Original thought:
D1 I vocally defended thestick and almost managed to sway opinion, going after Mattimeo and Bigger instead. If your statement was correct, I would have gone with the herd. I found it difficult to believe that we'd landslide lynch a wolf on day 1, and I was wrong. It later turned out he was bussed (as evidenced by Mattimeo's vote on him).
D2 I flail around a bit most of the day (mostly because of having to address your accusation that I defended a wolf so I must be a wolf) and end up arguing for Sareln's innocence on basis of bandwagon movements.
D3 I spend most day trying to save myself (and being absent). I also argue for Merovech's guilt, mainly on basis of a very dismissive defense against accusations.

Which days am I contributing no original thought? Cross reference with your own contributions those 3 days.

2) Latching on and not letting go:
You have defended yourself poorly and dismissively. Your favourite argument is "I shouldn't hang because I'm not scum". You have lurked outrageously and denied that you were lurking. You twist words, as evidenced by your accusation of waterbat above. You could have easily stated your disagreement with him on basis of what he actually wrote, yet you choose to turn it up a notch in order to make him seem strongly anti-town. Yet on the days when no traction for your lynch was obtained, I let go of it and looked elsewhere.

You try to change the facts to match your arguments. I can definitely vote for someone else today (Molach mainly, I also like Lewwyn's case on Ichabod), but you've done a good job of drawing attention to yourself again.