WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[Ichabod]

Taking a break from this game. I have a bad flu and the game has been pretty consuming.

Gaspar

[Twinkletoes89]

TT, assume novice is a wolf and we know it right now. You said this would allow us to go back and determine what he was trying to do. Can't you do that analysis now? Assume he's wolf and see if the actions he's done fit with that assumption.

Hmmmm. Looking over the final vote tallies is so frustrating. 6 days of data and nothing stands out to me.

There's a huge distance between assumption and actual knowledge. We can assume all we like and we can easily twist novice's posts into a villager or mafia light - that's the whole damn point of the game he is playing (if he is mafia)

And you make my central point with your last statement - no stand out data.

A lynch of novice would give us no end of data. I think its 99.999% established that I'm a villager. So even if I am wrong and he is village when we kill him, we can look at the others joining me and potentially find wolves.

And we do need a big play now. We need a big dose of information while we actually have time and lynches left to use it. Rowain's play bought us some extra time, now let us use it.

[Catwalk]

waterbat, I think it's poor. Look at his answers to points 1 and 2 and his obsession with numbers and decide for yourself. And with the last quote where I'm actually defending him from an accusation made by Meiz, he goes off the rails. I'm getting the feeling I'm talking to myself about it, so I'm not going to bother anymore. If Azza rides to victory as scum, I told you so

Keeping my vote on Azza if anyone wants to bite, will consider moving it to Ichabod, Molach or pindicator otherwise (in roughly that order). I have no idea why the horrible deadline situation yesterday isn't the subject of massive suspicion today, only TT seems to care. Yes, he went overboard but it really was atrocious. I don't agree with lynching novice (at this time), but I do want to lynch either Azza or Ichabod.

[novice]

Waterbat, why aren't you tripping over yourself to lynch Molach the lurker wolf?

[Gaspar]

So even if I am wrong and he is village when we kill him, we can look at the others joining me and potentially find wolves.

This is probably not going to encourage people to join you.

[Twinkletoes89]

This is probably not going to encourage people to join you.

To be honest, its get to the point where I don't care about that.

I've been trying for days to get people to listen and they don't so I'm going to stop caring so much and just state my case and let the village casually continue on its merry fuck-uppish level of either being sheep/lazy/insert demotivating adjective here.

I know I'm no cat-herder, but at least every game I consistently try hard and think as independently as possible.

[Catwalk]

Yeah, I'm not buying into the novice lynch either. Who is your preferred alternative TT? Seems I'm not getting my favourite present (Azza), have to compromise if noone wants to listen.

[Catwalk]

Also, I'm listening to your case TT and as I said earlier I don't think novice is catherding anymore. It's fairly obvious to everybody that he's not a confirmed villager, at least not to the extent that we can lean on him for guidance. How do you feel about hanging Azza?

[Twinkletoes89]

Azza is the definition of a lynch that can wait.

If he's mafia, he ain't harming the village right now that much and we're back here with the same lack of information on suspects on the next day.

We need info now. Novice is my top choice. I would only compromise for Meiz right now to at least get some info on the post-restrictions

[Catwalk]

Urgency aside, does he read scum or village to you?