WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[Meiz]

I don't think its an insincere feeling you're getting from his post novice. I think its a more lackadaisical feeling. I said it before but I don't think waterbat is as focused, and thus I don't agree that he is scum.

I'm not really seeing why the comments would go to "lazy" category (yes, I had to google lackadaisical ). I've asked for concrete examples why you see him so strongly as villager, but you've ignored it so far.

[novice]

How does the mafia side of things typically work here?

Any wolf can send in night actions on behalf of any other wolf.

I don't think its an insincere feeling you're getting from his post novice. I think its a more lackadaisical feeling. I said it before but I don't think waterbat is as focused, and thus I don't agree that he is scum.

Sure, it's open for interpretation, but he also doesn't build any cases. He just goes with the flow on what the other players come up with. When he got called out on this he accused Catwalk and Pindicator of having a "tiff".

Why is Pindicator on your shit list, Lewwyn?

[Lewwyn]

Why is Pindicator on your shit list, Lewwyn?

I'm off to the gym. Short answer was process of elimination and pindicator getting pushed down the list. Long answer when I get back.

[Meiz]

Molach:
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....tcount=551
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....count=1717
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....count=1730

"Post restriction in my view only confirmes my/everyones read after day 1 that novice is a villager who got thestick lynched."
"I think novice = innocent, thats why twinkletoes feels scummy to me."
"But easiest explanation is that he saw a scummy post and reacted. Post restriction - easiest explanation is that he did well first day, so restricted day 2 so he couldn't contribute as much. At least the restriction had that effect on me."

And also voted and suspected TT, because TT suspected novice.

Those are too strong statements from wolf to wolf buddy. Probably trying to get on his good side.

Attacked Selrahc heavily, probably trying to leave a small trail. Notch towards Selrahc being villager, I think.

Had a lot of minor suspicions on Pind, but didn't vote him at any point. Quite a null read from that, could go either way.

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Unrelated: waterbat

[Azza]

Any wolf can send in night actions on behalf of any other wolf.

So that rules out my first theory.

I'm going to tentatively say Selrahc

[Lewwyn]

Pindi is honestly still a mystery to me. I just can't get a full read. Maybe I just haven't looked hard enough. The issue for me is that I don't have anything to hold onto with him. I can't remember a post by him that made me stop and think about what he said except for one post he made back on Day 2 where he stated that the entire reason for hanging him seemed to be based on a vote switch of which could be read as either a villager or a wolf... Let me see if I can find it.

Ugh not really. But. Did find this:

There's a broader context here too. Two games ago pindicator specifically made a WTF last-minute switch to avoid getting killed by the wolves, which worked (I think it was the night you and Zak died together.) He did something similar last game which made me argue that we should eat him. And his Merovech vote fits a similar pattern.

I guess it's stupid to have my vote on someone I'm hunting scum with.

Ichabod

Guess I need a new trick I figured being away would make me an easier target too, although I certainly didn't plan to line it up with my bday

You know what really surprises me injera? Not that someone's figured my MO - but that novice of all people voted for me right after you put it out there. Him and zak were the two I was hunting scum with when I did that in WW14; I would have thought of all people in this game he would be the one to notice that I was doing the same thing as I did in WW14.

Is this why you trust him novice? Because he's pulling a villager trick you should know about?

Honestly, maybe its because he's been on the defensive the entire time, but all I've really felt from pindicator is the drive to survive. I've felt the entire time as though he hasn't been playing to win, he's been playing not to lose. I'm not sure if that means he's more scared villager or cunning scum. Either way it hasn't engendered trust in me and so he slipped down the list.

On day 2 there were 3 people on the block. Pindi, Ichabod and Sareln. Sareln was lynched and if you remember, both Mattimeo and Molach were on Sareln. Was he just easy or were they also trying to protect someone? Personally I think Ichabod is a wolf. And I don't think we had two wolves on the block Day 2. By process of elimination Pindi should be on my cleared list. But if I'm wrong about Ichabod, then I think Pindi could be wolf. I'm like 80% sure (whatever that means) on Ichabod, so I guess I'm like 20% on Pindi. Anyway that's why Pindi's low on my list, even if he's not a top suspect.

I still think Azza is scum, much in the vein of Molach, only more vigilant and attentive. Molach didn't really leave a trail to follow. One of the reasons that I think yesterday doesn't give us a lot of information at all. And yet he was a wolf.

[waterbat]

There were several people yesterday who complained about lynxhing molach selrahc or lurkers wouldn't give us any info. I'd go try to find these posts, but too lackadaisical.

Actually, very pressed for time atm.

My take on pindicator: it's starting to get to he point where we cannot ignore the voting record anymore. We still dont know alignment on some of his targets, but this pattern of missing the wolf wagons, but voting with the village on the mislynches seems lynch-worthy.

[waterbat]

Sure, it's open for interpretation, but he also doesn't build any cases. He just goes with the flow on what the other players come up with. When he got called out on this he accused Catwalk and Pindicator of having a "tiff"?

I offered my initial thoughts on what went on at lynch time. Wtf did "when he got called out" come from??? I logged in after lynch and made a post. Suggesting I got called out is a fabrication.

To clarify remarks on catwalk pindicator : I just didn't see that exchange as sincere. Maybe one half of it was. The fact that I'm getting jumped on makes me think I was onto something.

[novice]

Wtf did "when he got called out" come from??? I logged in after lynch and made a post. Suggesting I got called out is a fabrication.

The last time I listed my suspicions on you I called you out for not coming up with any cases. Your best attempt to do so after that has been your cw/pindi tiff. That's what I meant.

Latching on to a detail of an accusation and calling it a fabrication is a classic scum defense tactic.

[novice]

Is this why you trust him novice? Because he's pulling a villager trick you should know about?

Not really, in fact I found that statement by Pindicator scummy. But I feel like he's absorbed too much heat without slipping up or getting bussed to be a wolf.

My take on pindicator: it's starting to get to he point where we cannot ignore the voting record anymore. We still dont know alignment on some of his targets, but this pattern of missing the wolf wagons, but voting with the village on the mislynches seems lynch-worthy.

Translation: I'd like to cash in my mislynch. So scummy. Your voting record isn't any better, Waterbat.

Lynch this, please.