WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[novice]

With one hour remaining of day one, after Thestick's claim:

Official Lynch Vote Count


thestick - 9 - zakalwe, novice, Bigger, Merovech, tasunke, Mattimeo, Arromir, Serdoa, Pindicator
Bigger - 5 - Rowain, Lewwyn, Injera, Jkaen, Catwalk
Mattimeo - 2 - Sareln, uberfish
Injera - 2 - Gaspar, Waterbat
Waterbat - 1 - Azza
Sareln - 1 - Molach
uberfish - 1 - Qgqqqqq
Gaspar - 1 - Selrahc
Jkaen - 1 - Meiz

Players not voting: Ichabod, thestick, Twinkletoes89


Official Mayor Vote Count

zakalwe - 9 - Pindicator, Lewwyn, Meiz, zakalwe, Bigger, tasunke, Serdoa, Molach, Arromir
novice - 4 - novice, Jkaen, Catwalk, Qgqqqqq
Rowain - 4 - uberfish, Azza, Mattimeo, Rowain
Lewwyn - 2 - Sareln, Twinkletoes89
uberfish - 2 - thestick, Gaspar
Meiz - 1 - Merovech
Serdoa - 1 - Injera
Waterbat - 1 - Waterbat


Players not voting: Ichabod, Selrahc

TT then votes Thestick:

I think that thestick's role sounds 'too traditional' for my liking and I think its a last gasp move to save himself, as it worked for Mattimeo.

thestick

And then Molach:

Was afk a couple hours, and my thoughts reading along catching up was that I would vote for Mattimeo, voting Tasunke day 1 is to me somewhat scummy - easy mislynch. And not good reasoning behind it, like others said.

I think thestick lynch now is a good idea - while there is a load of people on him, which looks like a classical day 1 mislynch-pile-on, there were several people picking up scum tell, and it looked like mattimeo was gonna sail up as new candidate before his reveal. So perhaps that was a save-the-wolf push that fizzled out due to unexpected powerrole. So if stick flips mafia then we should have a lot to work on tomorrow. And something as well if he is village - passive followers and such.

Aaand I've been informed that I'm about to be collected to help my wife's sister and little brother move in. Tonigt. Sunday. 22:00. Don't ask I'm not all pleased myself. So not gonna be on to follow last minute developments.

Even though result looks clear enough.

Looks like wolves gave up on Thestick for good here. Note the bolded part too. In light of this, I can't say I find the last minute vote switchers suspicious.

[Twinkletoes89]

I'm not totally sure I agree with that final conclusion on the switchers Novice.

It reads to me more of a wolf trying to disassociate themselves from any late switching that may occur to save thestick rather than a sign of giving up.

I think there was still a plan/hope to save thestick at that point as the switch was rather large, but that was simply one wolf staying out of the way to avoid getting tagged with any wolves caught trying to save thestick

[Lewwyn]

Looks like wolves gave up on Thestick for good here. Note the bolded part too. In light of this, I can't say I find the last minute vote switchers suspicious.

I'm not totally sure I agree with that final conclusion on the switchers Novice.

It reads to me more of a wolf trying to disassociate themselves from any late switching that may occur to save thestick rather than a sign of giving up.

I think there was still a plan/hope to save thestick at that point as the switch was rather large, but that was simply one wolf staying out of the way to avoid getting tagged with any wolves caught trying to save thestick

Yeah, I have to agree with TT here that I don't think you can simply give carte blanche to anyone posting after Molach. Even if Molach gave up, there was still a huge swing back onto Bigger at the end that almost got him lynched and almost saved thestick.

[novice]

Well if someone could list all the vote switches that happened after Molach's vote, that would be good.

[waterbat]

@ novice : shall I use the f word again? You said my voting record not any better

Here's how votes ended up at end of day.

Waterbat: 2 early votes on wolf lynches ( Matt, molach )
Pindicator: 1 late vote on wolf lynch ( molach )

Waterbat: 5 votes on confirmed villagers, 2 mislynches (3 if you count tasunke)
Pindicator: 5 votes on confirmed villagers, 2 mislynches (3 if you count tasunke)

Well, My result about what one would suspect picking randomly. Pindicator's half that, but a small small sample size. Maybe catwalk flips wolf and puts us at the same number.

Also I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. You don't suspect late thestick switchers, so now you suspect early stick switchers are mafia?

[Twinkletoes89]

Vote switches after Molach post:

1) Post 319 - 21.42 - Catwalk moves to Mattimeo
2) 324 - 21.46 - Sareln on to Bigger
3) 328 - 21.50 - Merovech to Bigger
4) 334 - 21.55 - Pindicator to Merovech
5) 336 - 21:56 - Uberfish to Bigger
6) 337 - 21.58 - Catwalk to Bigger

Who looks scummy?

Catwalk has to look the worst, jumping off the Bigger move when it seemed to have lost steam then hops on with two minutes to spare to bring Bigger to a hair's breadth from being mislynched.

Pindicator's totally wasted vote is also mysterious and questionable when its in the middle of a late swing, but he doesn't do things traditionally as a villager so its hard to pin it on him enough for it to paint him as scummy

[novice]

@ novice : shall I use the f word again? You said my voting record not any better

Here's how votes ended up at end of day.

Waterbat: 2 early votes on wolf lynches ( Matt, molach )
Pindicator: 1 late vote on wolf lynch ( molach )

Waterbat: 5 votes on confirmed villagers, 2 mislynches (3 if you count tasunke)
Pindicator: 5 votes on confirmed villagers, 2 mislynches (3 if you count tasunke)

Well, My result about what one would suspect picking randomly. Pindicator's half that, but a small small sample size. Maybe catwalk flips wolf and puts us at the same number.

Those are the numbers I saw too. And Pindicator's late switch back to Molach was quite important, Molach only got a 6-4 majority.

Also I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop.

What do you mean? I'm already calling out for your lynch.

You don't suspect late thestick switchers, so now you suspect early stick switchers are mafia?

I've suspected early thestick switchers ever since night one. Merovech and you were the only ones fitting the bill. He got lynched, but you've kept slipping away.

[pindicator]

Waterbat, you saying i should have kept my vote on molach all day and not looked into other people or tried to move things around? Or are you saying that you get credit for being on an early wagon for mattimeo but i don't get credit for being the second person to vote molach early in the day?


http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....count=3036

Says you love the vote on molach, but when pressed you vote for azza.

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....count=3085
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....count=3088
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....count=3089

Later you are pressed again, saying if you think azza is village why aren't you voting for your #2?

http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....count=3117

Considering just how enthusiastic you were to accuse for molach but not vote for him until there were "a pile of votes" on him, i'm not sure how much credit you should get for that one.


Waterbat

[Twinkletoes89]

I'm starting to see this waterbat lynch.

What really gets me is why you even put 2 mislyches (3 if you count Tasunke).

Tasunke was innocent, why isn't he counted as a mislynch?

You're in a hole now waterbat, lets see what you can come up with

[pindicator]

I also am tempted to vote lewwyn for trumpeting me as one of his top suspects all game, but when push comes to shove he says i am a mystery and can only come up with a post that has been hashed over already in the past.