WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[waterbat]

Waterbat

I'm glad you're here, selrahc. Not sure what the village would do without you.

[Selrahc]

I'm glad you're here, selrahc. Not sure what the village would do without you.

I don't have much to add to the case against you. It seems well thought out and plausible. I think it is worth adding my vote to it.

[Twinkletoes89]

Waterbat, your defence so far seems to just be Mr Angry.

Give me a compelling case for your innocence and I'll listen to it. But today you are convincing me you are mafia with your reactions so far

[Azza]

Waterbat, your defence so far seems to just be Mr Angry.

Give me a compelling case for your innocence and I'll listen to it. But today you are convincing me you are mafia with your reactions so far

Not defending waterbat, as I strongly suspect him myself, but I wouldn't take too much from how he's defending himself unless it's radically different from how he typically defends as village.

Since my last post, the case against waterbat has developed pretty significantly, justifying my gut feelings about his scumminess. So waterbat

[pindicator]

waterbat, who do you suspect is scum?

[pindicator]

Ichabod - can you share what you were thinking with your vote swapping yesterday?

[pindicator]

Anyway, 2-hr drive from the coast to home gave me some time to htink about things and Waterbat doesn't fit as scum in my mind when I think about it. A couple of reasons, but one being that every scum we've caught so far has been playing a strong lurker game. Waterbat is out here throwing dirt around at the end of the day, when i think the pattern has been scum sitting back and letting the village fight among themselves, at least considering the actions of the ones that we have caught (molach, mattimeo).

Another reason is I can't see scum sticking their necks out right after one of their own was just lynched, so waterbat trying to connect catwalk & i after seeing molach flip mafia makes me think he is more an excited villager who just isn't giving much effort into the game, rather than wolf trying to steer the conversation. Plus the fact that he would make an accusation on me that can be flipped right around on him - he's not playing to preserve himself, obviously.

And also waterbat, you were not third on molach yesterday. When you made this post - http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....count=3036 - if you would have voted then you would have been third on ichabod. But by the time you mentioned the pile, you were the fifth person to vote for him, because gaspar & i had both voted on him and then moved elsewhere. Which tells me you're only basing your "being third" on the final votes, and not paying much attention to the game as a whole. So I'm going on join in on Lewwyn and attribute you to being more of a lackadaisical villager than scum.

You even misquoted in your response: you put novice's quote and put it as being from me with a link to my post.

[pindicator]

As for ichabod, I'm curious about these 3 posts:


3135 - says Molach's response is scummy and votes for him:
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....count=3135

3145 - next that he doesn't want to vote the same place Lewwyn or Gaspar are voting, so votes Azza:
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....count=3145

3147 - after Catwalk reminds him that Lewwyn was voting azza, changes again to Gaspar:
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....count=3147

[waterbat]

Actually, not sure how the misquoting happened. I was confused when I got to the top of the quote and you name was there. I thought "oh I thought novice said this" but as I said, I was on phone and pressed for time I had about 30 young children and 20 or so adults at my house for a party, so didn't have a chance to check it.

[Azza]

@pindicator;
I think it's extremely flawed to assume that since the mafia we've caught so far have been playing a lurkish game, all the mafia are playing a lurkish game. There's definitely a more active agent or two trying to manipulate the town. I get the sense from waterbats posts that he's been trying to subtly push an anti-town agenda, but that he's not naturally good at pulling the strings. He was definitely active at the Merovech lynch, and was pushing hard to save Catwalk.

I also don't understand your point about waterbat being a lazy villager. If he didn't care about the game as you suggest, why would he be active immediately after the deadline? He's also popped up just before a fair few lynches. To me, that suggests someone who is interested and engaged in the outcome, directly contradicting your theory. Am i missing something here?