Quote:Meiz - I mean - if you (the village) wanted to kill me for being useless - the time/opportunity to do that is past.Who's calling you a useless villager other than yourself? You come awfully close to putting words in mouths here.
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WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives
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Here's some more reasons why I find you suspicious, Pind.
(October 22nd, 2012, 16:15)pindicator Wrote: http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid299432 And later changes it to Gaspar and Azza. http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid296297 http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid296328 (with you following on Gaspar) (October 22nd, 2012, 16:15)pindicator Wrote: 2403 - http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid296586The time he switches back to you, votes are: Lewwyn - 4 - Gaspar, Ichabod, Waterbat, Azza Pindicator - 3 - Injera, Jkaen, Meiz Azza - 2 - Catwalk, Lewwyn Injera - 1 - tasunke tasunke - 1 - Selrahc Catwalk - 1 - Pindicator Gaspar - 1 - novice Selrahc - 1 - Molach Twinkletoes89 - 1 - Twinkletoes89 This happens after he's voted you: http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid296620 http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid296631 (Lewwyn switching from you to Tasunke). (October 22nd, 2012, 16:15)pindicator Wrote: 3375 - http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid300061But he also states this: "Technically Pindi is in my 3rd wolf slot, but that's pretty malleable with Gaspar and Jkaen." We know the top wolf list consists two villagers that come before you, and he says the second tier could replace his third wolf suspect. (October 22nd, 2012, 16:15)pindicator Wrote: Now if his idea was to bus me for cred, why didn't he vote me before Day 5? I think he was trying to keep suspicion on me, like Gaspar said, to be a patsy in the end-game.You have received a lot of heat from day 2 forward. I think it makes sense to start to distance yourself from a wolf partner that probably wold not make it end game (here you are, but couldn't be known then). The main point is, he never ends up voting for you but gets villagers mislynched instead. After pushing Lewwyn yesterday, you'd be pretty much confirmed villager in theory. I think it would be excellent way to play this as a wolf. (October 22nd, 2012, 16:46)pindicator Wrote: And the night 9 interaction with him was a tell to my eyes, and thankfully one I was right on.I missed what was so incriminating on his night interraction, to me your confirmation of his wolfness came out of nowhere. What was it? (October 22nd, 2012, 16:46)pindicator Wrote: As for waterbat vs. jkaen, I said yesterday I suspected them both as a pair. I did agree with gaspar that jkaen was the better lynch due to inactivity, because if we were wrong then it was safer for the village.What I meant was you today, post http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid303045 Your tone changes drastically on waterbat and I still fail to see why the reasons you stated pushed me over him. (October 22nd, 2012, 16:46)pindicator Wrote: And you're going to say it's flimsy reasoning to suspect that you're just hanging back and watching which way the tides go? I've had to call you and Gaspar both out on that today. You told me votes matter when you attacked me a few days back, but you not voting shouldn't raise eyebrows? That's a double standard.I'm still unsure if you realize how different time zones we have. When the day starts, it's middle of the night for me. It's only after work that I have the possibility to start to dig through the thread for clues. (October 22nd, 2012, 16:46)pindicator Wrote: Yes, I wanted you to vote today. Again, you not voting and sitting back looked suspicious. You outline Gaspar in both of your wolf pairs, and yet you do not vote him; so the only reason to vote me today is therefore if you think I'm a solo wolf. Otherwise you have to think I'm scummier than waterbat and sure of a Gaspar/Pindicator pair. After how you've been on waterbat since day 8, I have a hard time seeing why you don't want to vote for him now that there isn't a clear 2nd option.You were the possible wolf pair for the theories I thought most likely at the time. Gaspar&you, waterbat&you. There were 3 combinations. (October 22nd, 2012, 17:21)Catwalk Wrote: Meiz, I like your findings but I'm puzzled why they lead to your conclusion that pindicator is wolf. In spite of my paranoid misgivings above, I still consider him most likely to be villager. If he's alive tomorrow I think he should be scrutinized heavily, but I can't see him as the best candidate today. I'm also suspicious of Gaspar and waterbat as a pair, I agree that them attacking each other now is a sensible wolf ploy.There might not be tomorrow if we get it wrong today. So I'm going to dig out every possibility.
I just re-read day 2 and concentrated on the last hour.
with 29 minutes to go: (September 19th, 2012, 15:31)BRickAstley Wrote: Official Lynch Vote Count after Merovich and Molach switch: (September 19th, 2012, 15:48)Molach Wrote: I make it Pindicator makes a self preservation vote (and justifies it as pointed out by Ichabod) then.... who saves Pindicator? Twinkletoes and Serdoa I can't see the scum setup an early bus on Pindicator after what happened day 1. I think the scum were happy with any of those 3 candidates (Sareln, Ichabod, Pindicator) that is why there was little scum movement.
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DAY SEVEN
Molach - 6 - novice, Lewwyn, Waterbat, Azza, Gaspar, Pindicator Azza - 4 - Meiz, Catwalk, Molach, Ichabod Gaspar - 1 - Selrahc novice - 1 - jkaen Meiz - 1 - Twinkletoes89 --- Novice starts the day by voting Molach. Pind follows with a vote. "novice, I was going to start today by asking you if Molach's absences here reminded you of his WW14 play. I'm taking your vote as an affirmative" Catwalk votes Azza Waterbat posts, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid298359 "I'm strongly in agreement with catwalk. Azza's seemed to have genuinely angry reactions, but apart from them, I can't find the village undercurrent." "I also love the vote on molach. He's screaming lurker-fiend to me but I'm burned from ww14 as you referenced." Pind votes Ichabod, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid298373 "Novice, i'm gonna let you hold down the molach wagon for a bit. I want to give lewwyn a shot: Ichabod @waterbat- if you like both those cases why not join one? I guess i find your support but no vote and not bringing forth an argument of your own an odd post" Actually quite good question for wb. WB votes Azza in next post. "Truly meant to vote azza. Such a long phone post, forgot by the end. azza. Also I wouldn't call the molach vote by a case. For me it's a strong feeling. Catwalk though makes a case." Lewwyn votes Ichabod Gaspar votes Molach, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid298407 Lewwyn tries to bait Jkaen to vote Ichabod, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid298411 I'm voting Azza, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid298433 Molach posts his defense, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid298440 "So lynching one of Gaspar, Jkaen, Lewwyn or Selrahc makes all the sense in the world to me." Votes Selrahc Lewwyn keeps pushing for Ichabod, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid298462 Lewwyn does little distancing on Molach, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid298514 Votes at this point: Azza - 3 - Catwalk, Waterbat, Meiz novice - 2 - Jkaen, Twinkletoes89 Molach - 2 - novice, Gaspar Ichabod - 2 - Pindicator, Lewwyn Selrahc - 1 - Molach Waterbat - 1 - Azza Gaspar posts, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid298528 "I'd be incredibly surprised if one of TT, Catwalk, novice or Jkaen were scum. Waterbat is one small sliver below that. So if we pick from the remaining players, our odds are pretty darned good in my mind." Waterbat posts slight defense of Azza, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid298566 I have to separately ask him why he keeps voting Azza, before he unvotes. Novice asks why wb is not voting Molach then, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid298630 Remember, wb originally thought both Azza and Molach as good cases. Why does he unvote then and does not add pressure for his #2 (now #1) suspect? Gaspar votes Ichabod, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid298698 And Pind is puzzled by that. Gaspar's explanation: "Meaning he's going to do what he did - pop in, make a quick post, pop out, disappear again for however long. So voting him at the moment really serves no value. I'd rather vote someone who might spur some activity. I'm not remotely opposed to ending the day on Molach though, who clearly is just in full lurk mode this game." Pind agrees, "Ok, agree with that. I was not impressed by his post today but i can see wanting to get more people talking. Although Ichabod said he was goign to step away for the rest of the day as well, so I don't know how much we're going to get out of him." Pind is still voting Ichabod Waterbat posts, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid298703 "My turn to ports fRom bar. I'm ok with molach Gaspar. Why I not falling over self? Don't fucking know. Too much Crown royale I fear. Lewwyn makes good case. I'll admit being clueless. 13 left?? Must hit soon. Those votes must give us clues. They must." I still think this sounds fake, and he is still not voting Molach. novice makes a big case on Molach, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid298773 Lewwyn votes Molach, sign that Molach is going to be bussed, since there were voters on Ichabod as well, his #1 (villager) target. In next post still tries to get people going for Ichabod, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid298781 And finally waterbat votes Molach, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid298824 What I don't get is, why did it take so long. Thinking the bus was first planned in the wolf thread. Pind follows (from Ichabod), http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid298855 "I'm voting Molach because molach made an awful response after getting some pressure on him today, dodging the reason for the votes in his response, and throwing out some names that look like they were the product of 5 seconds worth of thought." Molach - 4 - novice, Lewwyn, Waterbat, Pindicator Azza - 2 - Catwalk, Meiz novice - 2 - Jkaen, Twinkletoes89 Ichabod - 1 - Gaspar Selrahc - 1 - Molach Waterbat - 1 - Azza Gaspar - 1 - Ichabod Gaspar and Catwalk vote Molach Molach basically gives up (doesn't fight back), http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid298879 Catwalk defends Molach, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid298883 If Molach was being bussed (as it looks like), why defend? Votes Azza Molach - 7 - novice, Lewwyn, Waterbat, Azza, pindicator, gaspar, Ichabod Azza - 2 - Catwalk, Meiz novice - 1 - Jkaen Selrahc - 1 - Molach Gaspar - 1 - Selrahc Meiz - 1 - Twinkletoes89 Seems pointless effort for a wolf. Pind votes Azza (slight village lean as confusing as it is). Pind makes a long explanation vote back to Molach, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid299037 --- After rereading day 7, I find waterbat's play most suspicious.
i felt like my previous molach experience was coloring my "feeling" on him. That's why i said "I wouldn't call it a case" - I didn't make a case for Molach. If I was bussing, I would have made some kind of case there. I also wasnt sure on Azza - i mean I definitely did not like the tone of his posts, but that doesnt make a good case for voting (see: Rowain, Jkaen). Very weak day on my part despite coming correct with the vote. I trusted Lewwyn then - i moved after him, which is apparently what he wanted me to do.
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Best dating advice on RB: When you can't hide your unit, go in fast and hard. -- Sullla
What about day 1. You make an early vote on thestick, but once it gains traction, you vote Injera because he voted Lewwyn as mayor. And you stick by that vote until the end while making slight defenses on both thestick (post 180) and Matt (post 252). You state you followed the thread, why did you not react to thestick's and Matt's claims?
"Bigger said thestick wouldn't be one to disappear, but he did that last game after the first day of attracting a lot of heat, he fell off the map day 2." "Well, mattimeos comments seem exactly something I would write as an innocent. then i would not understand why I was getting pounced on. I'm not defending him though, I just am open to the idea that his comments could go either way. This game should get more interesting as time goes on. For now, it's a snore-fest ." Yes I know I've brought these up before us well, but I can't help but to find these very suspicious.
"Bigger said thestick wouldn't be one to disappear, but he did that last game after the first day of attracting a lot of heat, he fell off the map day 2."
not sure i was clear here (i had to read it a few times): Bigger said this: Quote:And why isn't thestick defending himself? He's not usually one to lurk or disappear. And I was just responding that he did exactly that in the game we had just finished playing. He pulled a day 2 disappearing act. In this game, it was day 2 (real time), or the second half of day 1. As for the snore-fest comment with 26 players, noone was posting much at the time. I really should be careful what I wished for - as the posting load quickly because crushing. Also, I felt like we were just repeating earlier game - lynch thestick because he's bumbling so bad! I dont mind you re-hashing... Mattimeo did seem innocent to me.
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