Niccolò Machiavelli's Thread

[zakalwe]

Also, we want to exchange details on the NAPs with TEAM and Pirates, as well.

Getting a BFF is good but we also need to make sure we don't end up as the 2 in a 2 vs. 3.

[plako]

I'm a bit busy this weekend so draftinng email would be good idea.

[plako]

double post

[plako]

Draft message to M3. Fast comments please. I'll send this in ~12h or initiate gchat with HAK and give similar information out there.

Hi,

Thank you for sharing your GLH plans. It is a little bit concerning, if Gillette lands Oracle. Do you know anything more concrete concerning their plans? What are your chances to claim it before them? Concerning GLH we don't have any solid proof concerning TEAM's plans, but our C&D suggests they might be heading towards GLH too. At least they have sailing and coastal city and we've a suspicion they've also Masonry (not totally certain).

FYI our NAP with Gillette is ending on T70 and I think it would be beneficial for both of us, if we try to sync our deals with them in case they manage to use their farmer's gambit to gain significant tech lead. Can you tell if you have a NAP with them and when it is ending?

Concerning the war with TEAM they just entered our borders with their initial warrior without much real discussion. Tried to choke and mess our sandbox and succeeded. Our economy is pretty weak at the moment, but it would have been weaker, if we would have continued the fight.

Maybe NAP would also be in order. What would you say e.g. until T110?

Best regards,
Plako

[zakalwe]

Looks good to me. I would add a sentence at the end of the second paragraph:

"Our peace treaty with them also includes open borders, on their request."

[pling]

Looks good to me.

Zakalwe, I assume your addition is intended to go at the end of the paragraph about TEAM & the GLH (which I'd call the first paragraph, not the second)?

[zakalwe]

Looks good to me.

Zakalwe, I assume your addition is intended to go at the end of the paragraph about TEAM & the GLH (which I'd call the first paragraph, not the second)?

Yeah.

I was unsure about how to enumerate them. After all, the above is arguably a paragraph.

[pling]

Looks good to me.

Zakalwe, I assume your addition is intended to go at the end of the paragraph about TEAM & the GLH (which I'd call the first paragraph, not the second)?

Yeah.

I was unsure about how to enumerate them. After all, the above is arguably a paragraph.

I think I regard the greeting on a email as different to another sort of one word paragraph?

[plako]

I couldn't resist when I did see HAK in the chat so here we go earlier than I promised. Are you ok with the deal?

edit. The deal suggestion bolded.

me: Hi

hitanykey: Hey

me: Have a little time?

hitanykey: I have a few minutes yeah.

me: So thank you for sharing your GLH plan

hitanykey: Oh btw, I meant to mention to you that the OB did not give us any trade income.

me: Our C&D department thinks that also TEAM is heading there

hitanykey: I think it's because we don't have visibility of any of your cities. I'm guessing that's a requirement

me: ok you need to scout a bit more then
Concerning TEAM they've Sailing and there is a chance they've also Masonry (we're not totally sure)

hitanykey: Ok, thanks for the info. We no longer have a C&D department...since neither I nor TheHumanHydra have any clue how to read score changes or anything like that.
with any luck we are closer to it than thay are.

me: Good luck with it.
What about NAP. Would you be intrested in signing one e.g. until T110?

hitanykey: yeah, we (THH & I) had already slightly discussed the NAP stuff. I'll bring up the T110 thing in our thread and make sure it's ok...but I'm assuming that's good. What turn is it now again?

me: ~T65

hitanykey: Also, would you be ok if I sent the scout to get visibility of one of your cities? I know you probably didn't want me to see your capital, but maybe that city to the north of where the scout is now? Just a quick hop into the borders, and then leave again?

me: I would also suggest syncing our NAPs with Gillette. They're only one developed in peace and that is starting to show. You mentioned they're heading for Oracle. Do you know more about their plans?
Visibility in the North is ok. I'll guide you after I see the situation next time
Our NAP with Gillette is ending T70 so we're renegotiating

hitanykey: I think we only assumed they're heading for Oracle because they got the religion. We haven't had any actual communication with them about it

me: And it would be good to know your sttus

hitanykey: I'll have to check. Don't know if we ever officially signed a specific turn NAP yet.

me: Ok - that would be important info to know sine it will affect to negotiations. We could consider not signing a NAP, if you don't plan getting one
That would surely put pressure on them to build some units
and stop farmer's gambit
You also asked about our war against TEAM. They just entered our borders with their initial warrior. Tried to choke and mess our sandbox and succeeded. Our economy is pretty weak at the moment, but it would have been weaker, if we would have continued the fight.

hitanykey: sorry, had a work call for a moment....

me: np

hitanykey: Ok, just looked at our thread. The closest discussions got to was them saying they were interested in a rolling NAP with a 20T cancellation clause.
I don't see that we ever had an official reply from us agreeing to it though.
that was about the time scooter was going to start trying to draw a dot-map for a border agreement. But then communication mostly stopped after that.
that was back in mid-October

me: ok
Currently they're pretty passive in diplo

hitanykey: though we're about to settle a city right up against what our original proposed border would have been (if it had ever been officially agreed upon). So our diplo may need to start up more actively with them soon. If nothing else, that may cause them to think about making some military.

me: What do you think about not signing further deals witout having a negotiation between us?
So we could sync things up
Not to make it eternally binding we could tie it on our NAP

hitanykey: That sounds good to me. The two of us do seem like we could be the two larger powers on this world. Even though TEAM has higher score than us right now, and more cities, I think we have a good chance to pass them up and come up to your level soon enough.

me: They're Creative (as us) so our Score is artificially high
from land points
You've Stonehenge though
that evens things up a bit

hitanykey: yeah, the points stuff is often a tough judge...at least for me. Since I don't know how to read points.

me: We defiantely have biggest armies in this game
Trying to remember we both have ~57000

hitanykey: yeah, that's true. which had surprised me. since at one point, I didn't think of our army as particularly big. and with our war (and losing units) was worried we'd have trouble keeping our cities protected.
but apparently Gillette hasn't made much in the way of axemen yet, I'm guessing.

me: Normal RB-style - Build as little army as possible

hitanykey: ah
I know they have a Warrior to the north of our territory exploring...and another warrior just to the south of our borders exploring.

me: It is gambling, but if not called for it very profitable
We see thir graphs and they don't have much

hitanykey: yeah, we can see all graphs.
currently trying to pile all of our EPs into Pirates to get to a point where we can see their research. Unless someone on our team comes up with a better suggestion. I'm not particularly good with EP stuff.

me: If you've all the graphs that is ok next goal, if you've target you don't mind annoying

hitanykey: yeah, well we already had a war with them and took a city from them. I think they're already plenty annoyed with us, so no reason to stop. :P

me: lol

hitanykey: btw, are you guys still putting EPs into us? A couple times I've had to toss a turn or two of EPs into you to keep the graphs.

me: I'm spreading them currently so you're probably getting some. If you want that could be added toour deal
So I guess the deal we need to sign would include NAP until T110 and we keep each other informed concerning the negotiations with Gillette and no EP points?
I need to go through the team also, but I've a feling this should be ok to them

hitanykey: Yeah, that sounds like a good plan. I'll post it in our forum, get official confirmation, and then let you know.

me: Sounds good
I'll do the same

hitanykey: ok, talk later. time to get back to fully working.

me: cya

btw. It is a bit frustrating to see that apparently veteran players have fled from team Gillette. This was not to supposed to be greens game. Well I might regret underestimating the new leadership later, if they manage to beat us .

[DaveV]

Are you ok with the deal?

Sounds good to me.