WW 19 Game Thread - Mobster Mayhem - GAME OVER

[Rowain]

To me the various types of scum lynches are all vastly better than the various types of mislynches.

Agreed but so far we have noone who gives a good chance to be solely 1,2,3. If you have a convincing case I'm all ears.

Well as for your reasons for your vote and whether or not your play makes sense as scum, I concede that you could just be being your typical self, as Lewwyn thinks. Or maybe you saw me claim Fool and saw a chance to vote me off, or at least create yourself a "legitimate" crusade. Afterwards you realized the other heavy hitters disagreed with your assessment and you had to scramble. At this stage of the game though your antitown opinions are enough to warrant a vote.

I'm voting you and I have outlined above my reasons why that is a good vote for the town even if you happen to be town. So care to enlighten me what has been antitown so far? Also care to point where I'm scrambling away? As far as I see I'm still voting for you with reasons to boot.

Also, I think you're reading way too much into way too little here, Rowain:

Desperatly grasping at straws already? Tell me where I read too much into it. Do note that zak has not attacked me but has clarified what he intended.

[BRickAstley]

Brick, I believe Zak is voting for Tasunke.

Missed that, thank you. Vote Count post edited to reflect correction.

[novice]

But Novice if you are a villager with that card. Wouldnt it be better to get rid of you? That item can really hurt us if it falls in scum hands. I still think you are the best lynch . If your a villgaer with the card then the card will be lost. If you are scum with the card then 2 birds for 1 stone. Unless you were lying about having that card...

If I'm a villager, how exactly can me having the card hurt us? If the item falls in scum hands we'll know it. I'll tell you, or I'll be killed and have the lockpick in my possession. The scum will have to go through a lot of effort and/or risk to acquire the item, which frankly is not worth the effort. It's not like scanning someone is the only way to catch scum, and we'll only get in three or maybe four scans total before the game is over. As long as we know where the card is, those scans will be 100% accurate.

[Ryan]

Thanks for telling me about the edit rule. My bad but besides that. From what I understand you are still the most likely to be scum. Most of the cases of lynching you will have a win for the Mafia.

[novice]

Well as for your reasons for your vote and whether or not your play makes sense as scum, I concede that you could just be being your typical self, as Lewwyn thinks. Or maybe you saw me claim Fool and saw a chance to vote me off, or at least create yourself a "legitimate" crusade. Afterwards you realized the other heavy hitters disagreed with your assessment and you had to scramble. At this stage of the game though your antitown opinions are enough to warrant a vote.

I'm voting you and I have outlined above my reasons why that is a good vote for the town even if you happen to be town. So care to enlighten me what has been antitown so far? Also care to point where I'm scrambling away? As far as I see I'm still voting for you with reasons to boot.

The scrambling is in your initial unexplained vote followed by piling on with more and more unlikely metagame scenarios to justify why I could be scum, then followed by reasons why we should lynch me even if I'm not scum.

I mean seriously, the "we should lynch him even if he's town" line is more than enough reason to lynch you on day 1.

[Ryan]

Well as for your reasons for your vote and whether or not your play makes sense as scum, I concede that you could just be being your typical self, as Lewwyn thinks. Or maybe you saw me claim Fool and saw a chance to vote me off, or at least create yourself a "legitimate" crusade. Afterwards you realized the other heavy hitters disagreed with your assessment and you had to scramble. At this stage of the game though your antitown opinions are enough to warrant a vote.

I'm voting you and I have outlined above my reasons why that is a good vote for the town even if you happen to be town. So care to enlighten me what has been antitown so far? Also care to point where I'm scrambling away? As far as I see I'm still voting for you with reasons to boot.

The scrambling is in your initial unexplained vote followed by piling on with more and more unlikely metagame scenarios to justify why I could be scum, then followed by reasons why we should lynch me even if I'm not scum.

I mean seriously, the "we should lynch him even if he's town" line is more than enough reason to lynch you on day 1.

You bieng a town and claiming to have an item that is usefull for scum. Which leaves you as an open target for pick pocket and if we believe that your town? You claimed a lot of power man. Tasunke vs Novice.. In lynching. You gave us a lot more reasons to lynch you then anyone else up till now. You are being pretty defensive aswell and several people have stated the same reasons for lynching you . It wasnt only this guy.

[Rowain]

I mean seriously, the "we should lynch him even if he's town" line is more than enough reason to lynch you on day 1.

You mean even if I'm town don't you?

[zakalwe]

For the record, you were indeed reading too much into that, Rowain, even if I didn't attack you for it.

[novice]

I mean seriously, the "we should lynch him even if he's town" line is more than enough reason to lynch you on day 1.

You mean even if I'm town don't you?

Haha. No I mean even if it's your only scumtell, as I think the rest of your behaviour is more of a null tell.

[Mattimeo]

@Mattimeo: Lewwyn first and thenAzza have commented on your vote for me. No answer to that? Wy do you think my voting for novice makes me scum?

If I'd been around to answer, I would have...
I voted for you because, immediately after miller was claimed, you voted for them with no explanation other than seeming to indicate it was a response to the claim. When miller is something that should be claimed as soon as possible every time it shows up.
Lewwyn is actually correct - I was skimming a little as I was in a hurry, and I missed the later post of yours where you actually put forward reasoning as to a convoluted scheme where a scum who does not hold miller claims it.
Still don't know I like the argument very much, as it does rely quite heavily on scum possessing both miller and item seer - I can't see any other situations where it's even remotely feasible as a scum claim. However, it is an argument I can see you coming up with while analysing the role descriptions, so while I'm reasonably confident novice is actually town, backing up such an argument with a vote is not actually a sure-fire indication fo scum.


On the other hand: Tasunke. Yes, acting weirdly is Tasunke's general modus operandi. How he's acting here seems even more pronounced than usual, though - much like he's putting effort into "appearing like Tasunke"...

Somewhat irrelevantly, Ryan seems to be stepping up to the role of 'normal Tasunke'