WW 19 Game Thread - Mobster Mayhem - GAME OVER

[MJW (ya that one)]

I am having trouble quoting so here :


MJW : "I'm not sure if I believe you. I'm too lazy to look at the text of post #123 aggersively. And compare it to what you+rowain said earlier; to see who said what first and the exact wording. Mainly because even if you copyied Rowain, Tasunke would still be my #1 target. Villagers can fall into the trap of wanting to dump their vote on someone to; so even if I'm right it only hints that you are scum."

You are increasing as scum in my eyes man. You are claiming I copied my words yet right now its as if you didnt even read it. Again why are you blatantly defending novice this much. Changed the topic from about him towards me copying text and posted crap about plagirisim. Seems like a wolf defending his brother or trying to change topic.

I looked at it and read it but not alot. When I mean aggersively I mean going though the entire thread and finding everything that was said about the 'novice card saga' before post #123 and copying it into a word document. And seeing if your post copys terms and specific ideas from others. At a glace it seemed it did but a glace sometimes is not enough.

And I'm not defending novice at all. I'm attacking you. And I did say novice would be a good lych target if it were not for Tasunke. Aside from the 'novice card saga' novice I feel has done nothing of note. He does not need to in order not to eat a lych because of so many players doing negative things and novice not have a big standard to live up to.

[MJW (ya that one)]

I also must point out I've not even talked about novice sence my first post of the day #132. Ryan just does not know what he is talking about.

[Ryan]

0 pressure on everyone but Novice and Tasunke. I am pressuring Novice because its the thing that makes sense to me. Tasunke feels like he was baiting it now that I understand what the quick post ordeal was. Are you guys planning on afking till the night? All Im looking at is a lynch on Tasunke who Is baiting being a snitch by posting about something and then baiting being a good guy by saying that Im innocent. While Novice is claiming he has a card that is if he was a snitch. It would give him so much protection from everyone or people will be wasting thier abiltities on him this night. Check tasunke tonight and Lynch Novice. Atleast Novice has stated he has an ability that works at night. Tasunke doesnt have this ability or we cant guess that he has it. Lynch Novice, check Tasunke seems like a way better way of thinking for me.

[Serdoa]

What does that make me then Ryan, as I even voted for you? You see, I don't believe you. Your whole attitude seems to change all the time and much too quickly for my liking. Of course it is hard to read a new player, but I don't feel like you are being sincere with us, but instead that you try to play a role (the newbie, the hurt player, the villager being on to something). Thats of course fine, a wolf has to do that. But it is a typical wolfish behaviour.

And imo it is not about exactly copying ones words but more that your whole "play" seemed insincere. Your posts just didn't feel like you were really hunting scum but that you simply latched onto a forming wagon. I find it especially interesting that you only started with it, after BRick made a vote-count, showing that novice had already 3 votes. Also I don't like how you - as soon as somebody actually questions you - act with stating that you'd better not post anything anymore. That sounds awfully like someone trying to get others to defend him, so that he gets a free pass without actually having to answer. And as soon as you are told that in a friendly way, you actually turn around 180° and start instead to attack your accuser.


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OOG-comment: Despite the above I'm glad you found our way to us Ryan and I hope you'll play more games with us.

[Ryan]

That was a few posts away before you were throwing those wierd comments.. lol. And Yes you defended him and said he shouldnt be lynched. Aka your baiting people to check him tonight when he clearly has an item be it the tarrot card or anything else that will be used this night.

[Ryan]

What does that make me then Ryan, as I even voted for you? You see, I don't believe you. Your whole attitude seems to change all the time and much too quickly for my liking. Of course it is hard to read a new player, but I don't feel like you are being sincere with us, but instead that you try to play a role (the newbie, the hurt player, the villager being on to something). Thats of course fine, a wolf has to do that. But it is a typical wolfish behaviour.

And imo it is not about exactly copying ones words but more that your whole "play" seemed insincere. Your posts just didn't feel like you were really hunting scum but that you simply latched onto a forming wagon. I find it especially interesting that you only started with it, after BRick made a vote-count, showing that novice had already 3 votes. Also I don't like how you - as soon as somebody actually questions you - act with stating that you'd better not post anything anymore. That sounds awfully like someone trying to get others to defend him, so that he gets a free pass without actually having to answer. And as soon as you are told that in a friendly way, you actually turn around 180° and start instead to attack your accuser.


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OOG-comment: Despite the above I'm glad you found our way to us Ryan and I hope you'll play more games with us.

Because I have been having problems with self esteem and I just thought that I was being grouped up on . Then when you stated that you were trying to make me state my points of view thats what I did by attacking my aggressor and trying to explain everything in my head. I am not playing anything but I am gonna blame that fact on that I have difficuilty explaining my ideas in writing . It caused me a lot of problems but All I can say is il try to write better posts. My attitude changed from just stating silly stuff because all of you were trying to find the scum and All i was doing was whinning about not understanding the game and joke lynching tasunke. I felt bad about that and tried to read and understand what other players said and try to come to my idea about what is going on and I dont want to lurk since I am sure this will cause problems with why am I lurking and not participating which what I have seen you guys do in the last WW game.

Also I wrote my point of view and Novice responded to it with : You are not allowed to edit. That was before Rb made the vote count. and Please question me. I am sry for acting like a kid in there. I am learning and I am sry for the mood swings .

[Ryan]

I have played Mafia on the Sc2 mod and also in my College with friends. Again I am sorry for my lack of understanding and Il try reading more WW games to understand.

[pindicator]

My gut is saying that this MJW-Ryan is village on village, trying to grab on to something early on, especially because no other candidates have been pushed.

Uberfish, would you be able to expand on your first post? Perhaps with a vote?

[uberfish]

Ok there's altogether too much concern over the "power" of this fool card. If novice is town then scum stealing the card is not a serious problem. Seer guilty result is still reliable, and scum would be vulnerable to either watcher or item seer as explained before. Also if scum have thief I'm very happy for them to waste their ability stealing this card instead of targetting an actual active power role.

If novice is scum, he's declared that he will pass the card on, so he's going to either have to 1) pass off the card to someone else who will claim it, forfeiting his anti-seer protection, or 2) give it to another scum (or lie about it) drawing a connection between the two of them while focusing attention on the second player.

There's no reason why we would need to use a ton of abilities on novice either way.

As to why I'm voting Rowain, my opinion is that the reasoning "novice is the least bad mislynch if he's village because he has the card" is a convenient scum perspective to take since it allows people to push for Novice's lynch just by arguing about meta. And making it into the core of his argument for why novice should be lynched is therefore suspicious.

I don't feel that MJW vs Ryan is getting anywhere or helping me get a read on either player's alignment, and you two might as well stop arguing with each other.

by the way @ MJW: if you don't like either Tasunke or Novice, what's your take on Tasunke voting Novice? And why do you have a mayor vote on Tasunke?

[uberfish]

crossposted with Pind obviously. I'm already voting rowain.