WW 19 Game Thread - Mobster Mayhem - GAME OVER

[waterbat]

Also Azza - what was your reasoning behind using the picklock on Tasunke? I think that's a very high risk / low reward item to use, especially if you steal from a snitch.

Simple. He alluded to having a powerful item, likely the gun. If he was scum, it had to be taken from him, and if he was village, I didn't trust him to be able to use it effectively. I honestly thought he was scum based on how he'd been playing, and when catching him out lying I was certain of it, but apparently he was just playing a terrible village game...

Thats Azzas explanation for why he stole from Tasunke. He says he honestly thought that Tasunke was scum. That would be fine, but his explanation for the case that Tasunke would in fact be village ist

"I didn't trust him to be able to use if effectively"

I can understand the general sentiment here. But as village, that actually makes not much sense. Tasunke would not be able to use that strong item more than once (pistol, board are passed). But he would be able to use it before Azza can steal it. Shouldn't Azza have realized that as villager, thinking about his steal? I sure would check that.

Much more, for the case that Tasunke is a villager, should the reasoning not read more along the lines "I thought due to his hinting that he would probably be nightkilled, and so I could at least save the item"? Something along the lines of actually helping the village? But it reads more like Tasunke-bashing ("he wouldn't know how to use it"). That does not sit right with me, it does simply not sound like a villager player for his villages win.

careful, you get too close to the arguments i made and your world might come crashing down around you.
and also - don't forget to re-vote when the sun comes up. ill be on azza as well.

as to your previous post, I was asked what i felt about the late movement - so i posted my initial reactions. reviewed all posts from my suspects in question and found the i had missed Azza's last one that I think made a significant change in my thinking.

[zakalwe]

Why? Why do you and zak want him to claim either way? What does the village gain by that? If the doublevoter is village, I want him hidden as long as possible, so that the wolves always have to fear him. And if he is wolf, I don't see what we gain by him claiming. Do I overlook something?

If Mattimeo really is the double voter, I want him to claim it, because I think it's suspicious. There was no double vote on day 1, which could mean it's in scum hands, and they were saving it for a rainy day. If he isn't the double voter, he can just say so. That doesn't eliminate any potential seers, vigs, etc. I don't mind if he waits until daybreak to answer, which it looks like he will.

Also dont like that zak has only been going after easy targets.

Look at this, another easy accusation from you. Tell me, who are the so-called hard targets that I have been passing over? Be concrete, and I'll tell you what I think about them.

[uberfish]

You think I'm scum Serdoa? Oh please, i hope you arent just upset i didn't follow you blindly onto MJW. Just cause you're confirmed town doesnt mean i think you're always right

well someone appears to be a bit sensitive here...

[pindicator]

zak. So you're saying you don't have thoughts on people, but if i cue you on one or two you may be able to think some up?

[zakalwe]

I see what you're saying about Azza, Serdoa, and I also want to hear his answer. I'll say this, though. If I was a thief, I'd try to steal something for sure. The more powerful, the better. So I don't question his decision to steal something. But I'm interested in hearing his thought process described in more detail. The phrasing ""I didn't trust him to be able to use if effectively" could be an attempt to garner sympathy/approval for his decision, i.e. a scumtell.

[zakalwe]

zak. So you're saying you don't have thoughts on people, but if i cue you on one or two you may be able to think some up?

WTF? You say I'm only interested in easy targets. WHO are those hard targets I should be going after? I don't suspect Novice or Serdoa. I do suspect Lewwyn, which should be clear from what I said yesterday. I haven't said much about Uberfish, but I think he deserves a minor town lean for accusing Bigger on day 1. Who did I miss? I bet that pretty much all the rest are what you would consider easy targets. So maybe that isn't so significant, after all?

Wouldn't it be more fair to attack me for my arguments, rather than my targets? I go after people that I think are suspicious. I can't help it if all the scum are easy targets.

[Ryan]

@Azza Where you considering the fact that if you had aimed for a scum that doesnt have a good item and you gave him that lock pick. You were basically empowering the Mafia with the ability to steal items? good items potentially? That even if you stole any of those items we had nothing to gain since we dont know what aligment has each item ?

[Serdoa]

I see what you're saying about Azza, Serdoa, and I also want to hear his answer. I'll say this, though. If I was a thief, I'd try to steal something for sure. The more powerful, the better. So I don't question his decision to steal something. But I'm interested in hearing his thought process described in more detail. The phrasing ""I didn't trust him to be able to use if effectively" could be an attempt to garner sympathy/approval for his decision, i.e. a scumtell.

Thanks zak, you put what I meant in the right words. Thats my issue, I can't get down in writing what I mean. I agree with you that I don't actually question that he tried to steal something. Only that when he explained his thought process when questioned, he didn't come up with a reasoning I'd expect from a villager but with a phrasing that attemps to garner sympathy.

Btw: Thats also the issue I had with MJWs explanation of his gun use. I don't question the use in itself (I would generally try to avoid that as everyone has a different thought process about that stuff) but how it is explained afterwards.

[BRickAstley]

End of Night Deadline.

Do not post until I post the end-of night writeup.

[BRickAstley]

"So I was getting to sleep again, all mighty worked up over when the next gunshot would be around, and if it would be coming for me. I sprang up and about knocked myself out when I heard the sirens. I peeked outta my room, and saw some coppers come in and kick down Campagna's door. I heard them telling him that they just had some snitch send them papers proving that he's been evading paying his taxes for quite a while now. They've been trying to get him for years, but thanks to those sons of bitches messing with us now they've finally taken him away. If we don't hurry up here, we're all gonna be taken away, and where does that leave us or Chicago? All nice and jailed and all nice and clean, and those aint much good."

novice was killed. He was a Loyal Mobster. He was holding no items.