WW 19 Game Thread - Mobster Mayhem - GAME OVER

[MJW (ya that one)]

Am I allowed to link that pm? Actually I will. Since it was against rules and I shouldnt text somethign between players without the rest not knowing.

Re: Just wanted to ask.
You replied to this message on January 6th, 2013, 16:59
January 6th, 2013, 16:57 Re: Just wanted to ask.
To: Ryan
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Ryan Wrote:Is it possible to suicide?


not tradtionally. anyway, this is a question you should ask Brick, the GM.
its against the rules for players to communicate privately.
Please don't go. The drones need you. They look up to you.

Who are the drones?

[Azza]

Guys are you able to see how Azza is making stuff up? Sel jumped on the Ryan wagon the second Azza tried to start it.

Day 2... quick posts in the end.

Selrahc is playing a pretty dangerous game.

Right under it..

Yeah, especially as I am known for switching in the last possible minute.

Those two were before the deadline.

We should have lynched Selrahc. Not sure he is scum, but he lurked as heavily as Merovech at least. Oh well, my fault for not switching despite having more scum lean on him as well as on MJW.

That was Serdoa. Why didnt you jump on him Azza. He did the same thing. Or you trying to go for the easier target ?

For a start, because I wasn't online at the deadline, so all that crap was buried in my 200 post catch up when I woke up the next morning. Secondly, because Serdoa hasn't since brought up how he wishes he could've lynched Selrahc instead, while you brought it up out of the blue today.

I just read that post n 1382. So you are telling me that I should have done something better as a town? That doesnt make snese as an accusation. And why would I stay on a case that had less votes and people were switching to someone else int he last half an hour like you said? Shouldnt I vote the people that will matter instead of wasting my vote? YOu ignored the fact that you were wrong about so many other stuff and your just trying to jump on anything to blame me on. Your are being caught in a lie after a lie. Dude your scum . Atleast Selrahc didnt throw an accusation that badly wrong randomly at people.

You moved your vote off someone you thought was scum, who was still a lynchable candidate, onto someone you were only voting for to save another unconfirmed player. I don't consider trying to save someone you think is innocent to be a pro-town action unless you have information that proves their innocence. On day 1, this information does not exist. You should push the case for the player you most believe is scum, because it's more likely to gain traction than a defense (without a claim or similar).

I'm pretty sure that I haven't lied here, all I've done is push the case for the person who I believe is most likely to flip scum, which happens to be a crucial aspect of scumhunting.

[Azza]

The one thing that really makes me trepidatious about Ryan is his "PM to Bigger". That's exactly the kind of meta-gambit I can see a scum team trying. Particularly since I don't think it even resulted in a mod warning to Ryan.

Azza that isnt Selrahc jumping on me the second you accused me?

Are you saying I should be paying more attention to Selrahc's post? Because it looked like fluff attempting to contain a point.

"Link please?" I already did are you even reading?

I hadn't read that post when I posted that.

You didnt mention me voting Q after our pissing match. How come? i got angry , I only wanted to vote Q. Novice said that I am limiting myself to what Q said. Serdoa who wanted Selrahc with me, agreed with Uberfish to vote Merovech with novice I believe? Il check after this post. So I gave them my vote since they were nearly confirmed town in my eyes and I agree that was a mistake. I just followed them blindly, I even doubted my vote right after with Serdoa who did the same. And I was wrong I should have staied on Tasunke. You arent even responding to the fact that you lied about everything else.

Sheeping someone else's votes is scummy itself. Again, your defense is doing nothing to even change my perception of what happened. You say you want Selrahc lynched, but you don't vote for him. That's what it boils down to. What happened leading up to it is nice background story, but the core of it is that your actions betray what you're saying, which is a clear sign that you're scum.

[Ryan]

I am sorry but this is "For a start, because I wasn't online at the deadline, so all that crap was buried in my 200 post catch up when I woke up the next morning." a shit excuse. I brought it out of the blue today because I didnt like how my vote was influenced in that regard for two days. And you know what several other players said in posts that they voted just to defend Rowain. Wasnt only me with increases the fact that you are trying to get an easy target to throw the focus of you and again you are telling this as advice which feels like a mistake I could have done as a first time player. Learning this game and the 200 buried posts . shit excuse to lie.

[Serdoa]

Who are the drones?

Thats part of Biggers signature.

@Azza: I'll ask again as it seems you ignored my post the first time: Imo the only way your case works is if Selrahc is Ryans scumbuddy. Your whole explanation for the case that Selrahc is villager makes no sense at all. So please explain

a) why should Ryan do that if Selrahc is villager?
b) if Selrahc is not villager, why are you not voting for him instead?

[Ryan]

The one thing that really makes me trepidatious about Ryan is his "PM to Bigger". That's exactly the kind of meta-gambit I can see a scum team trying. Particularly since I don't think it even resulted in a mod warning to Ryan.

Azza that isnt Selrahc jumping on me the second you accused me?

Are you saying I should be paying more attention to Selrahc's post? Because it looked like fluff attempting to contain a point.

"Link please?" I already did are you even reading?

I hadn't read that post when I posted that.

You didnt mention me voting Q after our pissing match. How come? i got angry , I only wanted to vote Q. Novice said that I am limiting myself to what Q said. Serdoa who wanted Selrahc with me, agreed with Uberfish to vote Merovech with novice I believe? Il check after this post. So I gave them my vote since they were nearly confirmed town in my eyes and I agree that was a mistake. I just followed them blindly, I even doubted my vote right after with Serdoa who did the same. And I was wrong I should have staied on Tasunke. You arent even responding to the fact that you lied about everything else.

Sheeping someone else's votes is scummy itself. Again, your defense is doing nothing to even change my perception of what happened. You say you want Selrahc lynched, but you don't vote for him. That's what it boils down to. What happened leading up to it is nice background story, but the core of it is that your actions betray what you're saying, which is a clear sign that you're scum.

you are ignoring what i said then . Everything I wrote makes perfect sense and you are lying and ignoring it

[Serdoa]

Sheeping someone else's votes is scummy itself. Again, your defense is doing nothing to even change my perception of what happened. You say you want Selrahc lynched, but you don't vote for him. That's what it boils down to. What happened leading up to it is nice background story, but the core of it is that your actions betray what you're saying, which is a clear sign that you're scum.

Azza, again, does that not mean that Selrahc is scum as well? I can't understand why you ignore that part completely. Your whole argument revolves around that point that Ryan does not want to vote for Selrahc, what only would make sense if Selrahc is his scum-buddy. And Selrahc has done nothing than lurking and meta-posts. And yet you are not voting for him but Ryan. Wouldn't it make more sense to find out Selrahcs alignment first?

Selrahc

But you are definitely a close second with your not answering at all.

[uberfish]

Ryan, you probably shouldn't have posted that. But anyway it's done now. (by the way, what I was hoping was to get a reaction from Selrahc, not you)

MJW, that line from Bigger is an Alpha Centauri reference. Legal or not, I don't think that PM was faked. Anyway, one of the town reads I had on Ryan was that I seriously doubted that Bigger would draw a link between himself and Ryan by coaching Ryan as his scum partner in the public thread on day 1 when he could do it in the private thread. And the PM is further evidence that Bigger and Ryan don't have a private thread. Hence Ryan is likely innocent.

[Azza]

I am sorry but this is "For a start, because I wasn't online at the deadline, so all that crap was buried in my 200 post catch up when I woke up the next morning." a shit excuse. I brought it out of the blue today because I didnt like how my vote was influenced in that regard for two days. And you know what several other players said in posts that they voted just to defend Rowain. Wasnt only me with increases the fact that you are trying to get an easy target to throw the focus of you and again you are telling this as advice which feels like a mistake I could have done as a first time player. Learning this game and the 200 buried posts . shit excuse to lie.

It's a shit excuse, but it's the truth. If I have to read a heap of posts to catch up, I skim them mostly to see if anyone is talking about me. It's an absolute pain in the ass reading this thread when you miss an hour or two of heavy posting.

Who are the drones?

Thats part of Biggers signature.

@Azza: I'll ask again as it seems you ignored my post the first time: Imo the only way your case works is if Selrahc is Ryans scumbuddy. Your whole explanation for the case that Selrahc is villager makes no sense at all. So please explain

a) why should Ryan do that if Selrahc is villager?
b) if Selrahc is not villager, why are you not voting for him instead?

a) Possibly to try and defend a villager before he dies, make it look like you didn't want a lynch you knew was a mislynch to go through.
b) I'm more certain Ryan is scum than I am about Selrahc. I must be the only one seeing blatant contradictions from post to post with him though, no one else seems to see them.

[uberfish]

Selrahc

I really disliked that post of his speculating that the Ryan PM could be a scum ploy.