WW 19 Game Thread - Mobster Mayhem - GAME OVER

[pindicator]

Oh bullshit zak.

My accusation against you has been that you sren't scumhunting like i've seen you in the past. I call on you to show some scumhunting as a test that you really are village, and your response is to ask me what i think of mattimeo? Did you used to ask the teacher for test answers in school and yell at her when she laughed at you for it? Zak, the whole point is that i want to see you try! And no, quantity does not equal quality. But show effort, show your work! Don't just ask for the answers, that's lazy. That's exactly my problem with your play this game.

You're still my #1, until you show some effort.

And for free, i have no issue with how mattimeo's used his power. If anything not using it day 1 is a sign he isnt scum because we now know both top vote-receivers were town. What a great opportunity to put suspicion on the other by placing a last second vote on one of them. That he didnt do that and has been forthcoming about his power seems village to me.

If i had a double vote and i didnt think either person was a good lynch then i would have done the same.

[Qgqqqqq]

GG Ryan, I hope you join up again in the future.

[MJW (ya that one)]

Aside from the Ryan sucide (by posting in the lurker thread) not much has happened. It is extra painful because Brick's post#1423 proved he was a villager for obvious reasons. Just be more careful Brick in the future.

This thread is a bit useless. Aside from his attacks against Ryan, Selrahc has done nothing aside from some easy metagame posts were the vig and board should claim. So unless Selrahc does something or something retard happens we have to kill Selrahc. He might have rage quit this game as novice said. But there is some things to talk about...

The vig and board user should probably just claim just before the night is over. This has the metagame benfits Selrahc talked about and stops the scum from possibly making a fake claim in the endgame.

I don't like Zak fence sitting on me. I think I've posted enough for a solid player like Zak to get a good read on me. I also don't like his comments that his attacking soft targets because they are wolfish to him. You can say that about any attack against you that attacks you for attacking someone. It's just a catch-all denial.

I really think Lewwyn is a villager. He attacked Selrahc aggersively which I like. He also found Azza, Ryan and Zak to be fishy which I did to. He really did not like the '3-m's' post. I like his tone to. I don't know; maybe I just like people who agree with me.

Pindicator seems earnst and honest to me. I might be wrong though.

I accept Mattimeo's reason for failing to doublevote on day 1. (post #1302)

Although I don't like Azza I have to point out that using the lockpicks+gloves cannot hurt the village as it happens after all the other item-usage. The village will never have to waste an action due to lockpick use. This means a villager should use it every night were the board and vig gun are not passed.

[waterbat]

Still no votes Matt, Selrahc?

funny x-post zak. I have NOTHING from Mattimeo, but that's the problem.
He doublevoted for my very preferred candidate. Can I give him some cred there? sure.... but not much. I'll review all of his content later.

Selrahc - please don't take this lynch lying down if you are village. Help us out here.

Qgqqqqqq, didnt realize you were still alive. Figured when Ryan died, you would just go join him out of heartbreak.
Are you still alive?

[Qgqqqqq]

I am still alive.
I am not spamming however, though it has little to do with Ryan (and began before his deat).

[Azza]

a) why should Ryan do that if Selrahc is villager?
b) if Selrahc is not villager, why are you not voting for him instead?

a) Possibly to try and defend a villager before he dies, make it look like you didn't want a lynch you knew was a mislynch to go through.
b) I'm more certain Ryan is scum than I am about Selrahc. I must be the only one seeing blatant contradictions from post to post with him though, no one else seems to see them.

a) But Azza, on D1, he was not instigating that move away from Selrahc. And he never ever defended Selrahc in any way. And on D2, he again only reacted after others did so before him. And again, without ever in the slighest trying to defend Selrahc.
b) But the whole reason you believe Ryan is scum seems to be the contradiction of his actions between voting Selrahc all day and attacking him, but switching off him at the end of the day. And that makes only sense with both being scum.

Quite honestly, I am wary of Ryan, because he has followed me several times. But thats not enough to vote him.

Also, why this outrage Azza in your last post? I am not voting you and I am not sure if anyone is.

With the benefit of hindsight and a good nights sleep, I see your point. I got tunnel vision on something I though was clear proof of scum, and got annoyed when Ryan pretty much said I was lying about being annoyed by the massive number of posts.

Doesn't clear Selrahc though.

[Mattimeo]

Yay for modkills :/
On the (slight) plus side, was this close to voting him anyway in an attempt to make the thread more legible...

Yesterday I voted Azza pretty much solely based on assumptions about the meta of the lockpicks. Revealing Tasunke's lie was, in my opinion, equally likely to be good town play or good scum play that had the added benefit of resembling good town play.
Serdoa's point today about Azza's stated reasoning being suspect is an interesting one that I hadn't actually thought about. Primarily the "if he was village, I didn't trust him to be able to use it effectively." Tasunke lied. Village doesn't lie. Him possibly being village should not have come into the equation. Him possibly being village is something you come up with after he turns up village, in an attempt to justify setting up town.
You don't need to justify it. He lied about a claim, and was caught. He was obviously scum.
(above from point of view of an Azza who knows his own alignment to be town)

Therefore, again: Azza

MJW's shooting is slightly less clear-cut. He didn't know for sure the alignment of either claimant. However, I'd say the fact that Tasunke was pretty much at threshold (or over it) was a decent indicator that he was dying that night. Shooting him early effectively gave town a bonus lynch. And there are significantly better uses for such an item (especially one not known about by town) for scum than giving town a bonus lynch while pushing someone into the spotlight that they looked to be avoiding up 'til then. Slight village lean out of this.

Serdoa - Clear town
waterbat - Lack of bomb counter-claim means definitely possesse(s/d) that. Meta assumptions give slight town lead. Agreeing with me when it comes to Azza doesn't hurt either.

Out of the others:
Slight scum lean on zakalwe. Though that's probably because he's been the only one really pushing for me, so not really enough to base a vote on unless it's to save someone I'm more certain is not scum.
Slight town leans on Lewwyn and uberfish. I'm not even sure why. My gut comes to some strange conclusions at times.

Would still appreciate a Day 1 seer / vig claim. Don't particularly want to risk one of them dying before they have the chance to claim, as we'd then lose information for nothing. Before lynch is preferable, just before end of night the latest before we're risking too much.

[Azza]

Yay for modkills :/
On the (slight) plus side, was this close to voting him anyway in an attempt to make the thread more legible...

Yesterday I voted Azza pretty much solely based on assumptions about the meta of the lockpicks. Revealing Tasunke's lie was, in my opinion, equally likely to be good town play or good scum play that had the added benefit of resembling good town play.
Serdoa's point today about Azza's stated reasoning being suspect is an interesting one that I hadn't actually thought about. Primarily the "if he was village, I didn't trust him to be able to use it effectively." Tasunke lied. Village doesn't lie. Him possibly being village should not have come into the equation. Him possibly being village is something you come up with after he turns up village, in an attempt to justify setting up town.
You don't need to justify it. He lied about a claim, and was caught. He was obviously scum.
(above from point of view of an Azza who knows his own alignment to be town)

Therefore, again: Azza

I'm not quite sure what your point is?

I suspected Tasunke because his play didn't add up as a villager.
Tasunke implied having the gun, whether he was scum or not I didn't trust him with the gun, so I tried to steal it off him.
My attempt failed because he had no item.
Tasunke claimed to have the gun.
I called him out on his lie, which had justified my initial suspicion that he was scummy.

What part of this sequence of events is scummy? I don't get it?

[zakalwe]

I don't like Zak fence sitting on me. I think I've posted enough for a solid player like Zak to get a good read on me. I also don't like his comments that his attacking soft targets because they are wolfish to him. You can say that about any attack against you that attacks you for attacking someone. It's just a catch-all denial.

It's a catch-all accusation too.

What do you mean about the fence sitting? I haven't said anything about your alignment one way or the other today, but at the end of last day I spoke up against your lynch. You haven't been a topic today. Not sure what you're getting at there?

[Selrahc]

Azza