WW 19 Game Thread - Mobster Mayhem - GAME OVER

[Qgqqqqq]

Awesome!
For reference, I voted one-word like that because I'd only just logged in (strolling through the PB9 threads) when I realised we were 5mins from lynch.
Quickly skimmed through, saw the big vote by serdoa (and the "I know he is lying") couldn't see the tally, so I voted.

What are you talking about by my vote on Rowain?
Yes I disagreed with you/Rowains attacks on novice for claiming fool card/policy lynch the fool card trains, so what?
There were a bunch of people on Rowain at the time, I'd gotten scum leans on him earlier (which I had pointed out relatively vocally) which I hadn't on Selrahc. From a pure "votes in a way that could seave scum" you are right, but considering I'd voiced suspicion on Rowain earlier and they were the only viable candidates, surely you see why village-Q votes Rowain.

If you have an actual argument to bring against me, feel free to do so.

@Uber, as Waterbat says (posted after 1549 btw) for that to work it needs to be an out an out "beginning of game item" claaim for it too work, and its perfectly possible that scum started with 4 (or even 2) items.

[uberfish]

@Uber, as Waterbat says (posted after 1549 btw) for that to work it needs to be an out an out "beginning of game item" claaim for it too work, and its perfectly possible that scum started with 4 (or even 2) items.

Possible. But very unlikely. The proportion of scum who have items should be similar to the proportion of town who have items in a balanced setup. I don't advocate we rely entirely on my proposal, but I believe it gives us good supporting information while giving minimal information to scum and we should take it.

[waterbat]

and if 9/10 people claim to have started with an item? it might help later catch someone in a lie, but not sure it will be useful right away.

Then the 10th person who didn't claim an item is confirmed town, and whichever scum lied about having the item has to lie again if/when we full claim.

Selrahc probably watched someone else on night 2 trying to catch PRs and lied about watching serdoa because watching serdoa was the obvious town action.

I guess it just seemed to simple - but yes, trying to claim he watched someone other than novice/serdoa was going to be challenging. and also my starting info is already out there - so feel free to record it.



Now that Selrahc has flipped scum, what do you think about MJW's 17:00 vote on him?

[Lewwyn]

Finally. Day 2:

Official lynch Vote Count

Merovech - 5 - novice, zakalwe, Serdoa, uberfish, Ryan
Selrahc - 5 - Merovech, Azza, MJW, pindicator, Qgqqqqq
Azza - 3 - Mattimeo, waterbat
zakalwe - 1 - Lewwyn

Players not voting: Selrahc

Serdoa tiebreaks, so Merovech is lynched.

Scum vs villager won on mayoral tiebreak. Odds that there isn't scum lynching Mero?

Zak and Uber are my choices.

Zak helped to keep putting Mero's name out for the lynch. Uber helped to push the lynch. Mero was actively attacking both Selrahc and Uber.

The only other possibility that I see is Mattimeo. And I doubt that.

I think the vig should shoot Zak and the seer should scan uber.

@Waterbat can you just confirm or deny that you gave the gascan to Zak? If you gave it to him then I think the vig should shoot uber and seer should scan zak, though I'm like 95% sure Zak's a snitch.

[Lewwyn]

Whoever is currently holding the gun, you should consider not shooting tonight, because you'll likely cost us one day if you're wrong and there's a risk of the gun being bounced to scum on the next nightphase.

Scum.

[waterbat]

@Lew. I didn't give it to Zak.

But that doesn't mean he didn't magically get it.

If I had known selrahc (scum) had the cloak, I would have sent it elsewhere. I figured they would be too fearful to hit novice.

So selrahc was so dead all day yesterday, I give no credit to any selrahc voters day 3.

Even without the vig, we should have this wrapped up.

[waterbat]

After losing bigger, the scum may have fought hard to save selrahc, but selrashc himself didn't even vote. Its odd, but I could see the last 2 bunching on Mero.

[waterbat]

If its uber, I guess as all the scum started with items

[Lewwyn]

@Lew. I didn't give it to Zak.

But that doesn't mean he didn't magically get it.

If I had known selrahc (scum) had the cloak, I would have sent it elsewhere. I figured they would be too fearful to hit novice.

So selrahc was so dead all day yesterday, I give no credit to any selrahc voters day 3.

Even without the vig, we should have this wrapped up.

lol? Did you pass it on N2 then? If you gave it to novice then I guess its destroyed.

Vig please listen to me and shoot Zak, Seer please listen and scan Uber!

[waterbat]

yes, i passed it N2 - but Brick changed the rule - if i pass it to someone who dies, it will be randomly redistributed if # of items < # of players left

so.... its in someone's hands randomly.