WW 19 Game Thread - Mobster Mayhem - GAME OVER

[Serdoa]

Sorry didn't mean to post that.
The even should be: when we had no information and precious little argument for him beyond. LURKER LUND!1!

I had clearly shown that Selrahc made one of the scummiest posts ever made on this forums, bending the truth, lieing and trying really hard to paint Rowain as the bad guy. Unfortunately the village decided not to listen and his scum-buddys all started to pound on me. With help from novice and uberfish.

1) I wrote a lot, but down't post much against him just the three big posts plus a fewsmall ones. Considering your the one [strike]making stuff up[/strike] accusing, go find these posts.
2) serdoa has tinted glasses here. There was a strong case on Godwin (that serdoa doesn't agree with because he also pushed for lynching the fool card.

There was no case on Rowain. None. It is not his fault that appearantly 75% of the players are not able to read what he writes but instead howl with the wolves. You can deceive yourself if you feel better and still tell the fairy of the big bad Rowain wanting to kill novice no matter what happens, but it doesn't get more true by that. I mean, this is not the first game in which players claim afterwards that they did everything absolutely right, despite being wrong several times. We'd probably learn more by actually trying to understand how we got to a certain misconception, but it definitely is easier to tell ourselves that we had to decide like that and there was NOOO way we could have known. (And yes, that is true for me as well of course, no one of us is perfect.)

3) I have 160 posts. do you really believe I made 75% of then day 1. only about that issue.

50% adding D1 and N1 together

4) Wtf. why aren't I getting lyncged for that then? Your job as a violated is to hunt scum , not trt preserve your own skin. How on earth can you say that a vote that takes a evil up to 1 off lynching is when "it doesn't matter much" - when does it matter then?

I am actually not sure what you are talking about here even. Your D2 vote? If so, that always depends on who voted, was still around, how much time left till lynch etc. You can't just examine that someone put a vote that "nearly" lynched a wolf and therefore he is town. It's not that easy, it never is that easy.

[waterbat]

i still think Azza is the right target today, but the only one who apparently agrees is under pressure himself. We either win today or hopefully you take uberfish's suspicious to heart and we get Azza tomorrow.

@Serdoa: I assumed village had cloak ! That is why i passed the can to novice!! The whole idea was that novice was considered the "100% nightkill". so our town clock would watch him. so the scum wouldn't kill him. so i passed him the can.

but again - i wasn't assuming scum had jailer - i was trying to ask pindicator if he considered the scum jailer's action in his plan with the fool card. If we had agreed to the plan, we would have told novice to pass it and Bigger would have jailed him. According to pindicator, we would then lynch novice for "refusing to pass it".

[Serdoa]

1. Original post:

@pin: you are saying novice (and subsequent holders) would tell us who he passed it to before possibly being night killed? interesting - this might force the scum to use the jailer card depending on the timing of the reveal - but that also would be information we could use.

Question: How did you know that scum had the jailer.

Answer:

i wasn't assuming scum had jailer - i was trying to ask pindicator if he considered the scum jailer's action in his plan with the fool card. If we had agreed to the plan, we would have told novice to pass it and Bigger would have jailed him. According to pindicator, we would then lynch novice for "refusing to pass it".

Question: So you explain your knowledge that scum had jailer by telling us that you tried to ask pindicator something – by not asking a question?

I mean… you never asked this question waterbat. You never mentioned in your post that the jailer could screw the plan. Quite the opposite in fact, you encourage us to go through with the plan, because if they jail someone “that would still be information we could use”. That’s completely the opposite of what you write now.

2. Original post:

@Serdoa: I assumed village had cloak ! That is why i passed the can to novice!! The whole idea was that novice was considered the "100% nightkill". so our town clock would watch him. so the scum wouldn't kill him. so i passed him the can.

Question: If your assumption was that the cloak is village and would watch novice, why did you not vote for Selrahc, when it became apparent that he did in fact not watch novice but claimed that he had watched me?

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just because Serdoa passed me the fool card didnt mean that he HAD to have the bomb. as far as i knew, he could have just decided to pass it. he could have been passed the gun for all i knew.

Question: You made your “reveal” that I passed you the card AFTER we knew that pindicator had the board and after Lewwyn revealed he was the vig. How could you expect I could have either of those items? How could you expect with even only 1 minute of thinking that I could have any other item than the gas can?

Question 2: If I had no item, why should I decide to pass the card to you? Even as scum. What was your thought process here?

[MJW (ya that one)]

I'm starting to dig serdoa's metagame attack aganist waterbat a bit. He is not cleared by the vote at all because he was always AFK. However, I just cannot see why zak+serlahc would order waterbat to give the gas can to serdoa. If it was part of the plan it would not have been random. When novice died we probably was already thinking about what happend to that gas-can. Explaining why he reacted so quickly to Selrahc's claim.

Or maybe his a wolf who just made a mistake...

Qgqqqq, okay you posted a lot. So using the word "lurker" in just inncorrect. I do think you posts lack a real content though. I just don't remeber anything about them other than you attacking ryan which is quite strange to me.

waterbat to try and make him post something.

[BRickAstley]

Official Lynch Vote Count

uberfish - 3 - Lewwyn, Mattimeo
Azza - 2 - uberfish, waterbat
waterbat - 2 - Serdoa, MJW
MJW - 1 - Qgqqqqq
Mattimeo - 1 - Azza

Players not voting: None

1 1/4 hours remaining

[Serdoa]

MJW, actually, the only reason I found not to vote waterbat is that the gas can really makes no sense. I believe him that he passed it to novice. It is the only logical thing (if waterbat is scum, Selrahc would have known that waterbat passed it to me and would not have claimed that no one visited me). I am not sure why scum would do that. Thats what is throwing me off, thats why I am not screaming at the village. Because it bloody makes no sense. Unfortunately his other play makes no sense either, so you might be right that it is just an error of the wolves. I could see that they changed their nightkill-target shortly before deadline and simply forgot that he was passing the can.

I have reread the entire thread now.

Azza: Was attacked on Day 3 by zak and Selrahc. They searched heavily for someone to lynch instead of Selrahc
Mattimeo: Same as Azza.
MJW: Yeah, no. Reading his posts as much as I still disprove the use of the gun on D2, I would consider him village. Too much going against scum when they were flailing already.
Lewwyn: Certain villager
Serdoa: Certain villager
uberfish: Really hard to say. I dislike his playstyle but I don't get the feeling he is scum right now.
Q: I don't see anything in his favor, but I also don't find anything especially bad. He was wrong several times, but it feels like he really tried scumhunting. Might have to reread his posts though.
waterbat: see my case, only one remaining.

[MJW (ya that one)]

A wolf error would be one way for the waterbat saga to make sense. I like your logic on the other players.

[Serdoa]

And here is another one of waterbat's posts that make me scratch my head:

So, Waterbat, are you just randomly throwing dirt at me or is there a logic to this? If I'm scum, Azza is my scumbuddy because I haven't crusaded against him. And I haven't crusaded against you, either, so that makes you... what exactly?

Its random Zak. You can safely ignore. Can't really make any conclusions without more dead people.

So, think about this: waterbat is telling us his theory that Azza and zak are scumbuddies. zak asks him if that was randomly throwing dirt or if there is logic to it (because the argument has flaws). And waterbats answer is to state "Yeah, it is random, ignore it." Really?

[Qgqqqqq]

Waterbat

[MJW (ya that one)]

Super lame. Both waterbat and uberfish are both AFK on the lych deadline. I'll go with uberfish as the gas-can case against Waterbat seems fluffy to me. I might be wrong about that though.