The Dark arts - C&D Master Thread

[kjn]

I've hidden a few of the sheets now.

Also, APTmod data seems to have become a lot less detailed. It seems to limit itself to 42-44 data values right now, and not use the raw values but some type of average. It's still good to have the graphs without waiting for the turn to roll, but the data mining Waterbat and I have done isn't possible anymore.

[kjn]

Also, Waterbat, you can use the Buildings sheet to keep track of which buildings are present in each city. That way we can easily get number of buildings and power values.

[waterbat]

I was expecting some kind of limit to that data (couldnt imagine it would continue to work for 9 teams + mix/max * 150 turns), but i dont get why ATP changed right now.... its not like we hit 100 x-axis data points - we're on 87.

if it was a 400 data point limit, we'd lose precision after t80. maybe it just has to do with the length of the googlechart query - when it reaches a certain limit, aptmod steps back and smooths the data.

[kjn]

Seems you're correct in the data limit. I just tried to get just our power data, and I got sensible results (our power value is reported correctly, and so are the max and min values). One additonal team still works, as does two, but it will be much harder to massage data out of the system since we must take it in smaller chunks.

I did a quick comparison of the interpolated power data that APTmod gave for all six teams (ue, our neighbours, and the min and max values) with the "real" power values, and I can't say it's very well done - downright weird at time, rather. At a guess, there is a limit at 512 data points, either in APTmod or in Google Charts.

Anyway, WPC just increased their power with 4000, probably a spearman. That leaves 4000 for other units and tech last turn. WPC might have researched Alphabet, but my money's still on Monarchy. They don't have enough GNP for Metal Casting, and Compass requires Iron Working.

[mostly_harmless]

Not sure for how long this is already the case, but Germans and CFC have Open Borders, probably confirming Writing tech for the Germans?
Might be old news. In that case, sorry.

mh

[kjn]

Well, CFC has had Writing for some time (probably since T74, and they have a library in their capital), so it doesn't say anything about the German team. But well spotted. Wonder what WPC thinks about it, though. CFC is quite a bit away from them, though.

[kjn]

Apolyton just performed a 6->4 whip (and the connection with Civstats is up again! )

This also strengthens my suspicion that Apolyton didn't use their first great scientist for an academy in their capital (though they might have used their second one, or used the first one for an academy in a non-capital city). A size 6 capital that has had a library for 28 turns and an academy for 19 would show up in the top cities screen.

[kjn]

Breaking news!

The Realms Beyond Cloak and Dagger Department can now with high certainty say that the Great Scientist Aryabhata founded the very first Academy of the Inter-Site Demo Game 2012, and that he did so in 775 BC in the land of CivFr.

How can we know this? First, max culture generation went up with 4 (more exactly from 20 cpt to 24 cpt) on T84 (reported as T83 in APTmod, but the min/max values are off by a turn, and the libraries weren't due for doubling yet and were built on different turns anyway. I think it's highly unlikely that two libraries would be built on the same turn by CivFr, especially as at least one of them would be in a size 1 or size 2 city. The top cities screen also don't support an academy in Apolyton's capital - its culture generation would have placed it pretty firmly there. I also can see no way for CivPlayers to have reached that level of culture generation after they have adopted Buddhism as state religion, palace, Buddhist holy city, five more buddhist cities, and the Oracle only comes to 20, and I doubt they have Buddhism present in all their cities.

[kjn]

Another revolting team.

Demos:

Based on login info from Civstats, it's either CivPlayers or Univers. And CivPlayers researched a classical tech this turn. Almost certainly them, revolting to HR.

Note also the huge drop in average GNP, from 60 when CivPlayers still were producing to 49 when they were revolting. That implies a real GNP of around 85-90 for CivPlayers currently.

[Boldly Going Nowhere]

Can someone confirm the last turn that WPC/Germans had a battle resulting in unit losses? Thanks.