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#271
January 29th, 2013, 08:22
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(January 29th, 2013, 08:01)waterbat Wrote: (fake edit: My conclusions about why it was drawn were completely off.... take a look at this position:

[Image: rego-sian-endgame.jpg]




Black to move and draw. (ignore that red arrow )


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Do I misunderstand you or miss something? Why is the pictured situation a draw?
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#272
January 29th, 2013, 13:07
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Black can queen his own pawn after takeing one of whites pawns, Rowain.
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#273
January 29th, 2013, 13:10
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(January 29th, 2013, 13:07)MJW (ya that one) Wrote: Black can queen his own pawn after takeing one of whites pawns, Rowain.

Yes but a) wite is the first to move with his queen and
b) white would still have 1 pawn left.

it might still end in a draw but I'm not sure it is a given.
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#274
January 29th, 2013, 13:28
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yeah I don't see why black would go for that position when it's much simpler to play Kg7
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#275
January 29th, 2013, 14:50
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Well I got second place... Yay....
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#276
January 29th, 2013, 15:11
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(January 29th, 2013, 14:50)MJW (ya that one) Wrote: Well I got second place... Yay....

Grats but I do think your 2 2-move-draws are dangerous close to violate the spirit if not that of good sportmanship then that of RB.
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#277
January 29th, 2013, 15:40
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Yes - that position is drawn after 1... Kd4! 2. Kxg4 Ke3 3. Kf5 Kxf3 4. g5 Ke3 5.g6 f3 6.g7 f2 7. g8Q f1Q+

i know what you are thinking - why Kf5 - but draw still results if the white king stays on g5 - the black king sits on g3 when both pawns promote (h8 and f1). Qc3+ or Qg5+ don't get anywhere as black has squares to go to.
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January 29th, 2013, 15:52 (This post was last modified: January 29th, 2013, 15:52 by Rowain.)
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(January 29th, 2013, 15:40)waterbat Wrote: Yes - that position is drawn after 1... Kd4! 2. Kxg4 Ke3 3. Kf5 Kxf3 4. g5 Ke3 5.g6 f3 6.g7 f2 7. g8Q f1Q+

i know what you are thinking - why Kf5 - but draw still results if the white king stays on g5 - the black king sits on g3 when both pawns promote (h8 and f1). Qc3+ or Qg5+ don't get anywhere as black has squares to go to.

Yes but white still has the pawn on g4 when he uses the h-pawn and can try to promote that one.
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#279
January 29th, 2013, 16:27
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Thanks for the analysis link waterbat.

I was really confused by my move of

12. Be3 - I really don't know why / how I missed NC7+...
28. Missing Bh7 was another good one - I think that I get so hungup on the fact that his rook was "protecting" the h pawn I didn't see that if he had taken my bishop I'd have taken the rook.

Bummer I took the draw then - after analyzing it (again) I see where I had the endgame won... Ah well... there's always next time lol
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January 29th, 2013, 16:50 (This post was last modified: January 29th, 2013, 16:51 by Gustaran.)
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(January 29th, 2013, 15:11)Rowain Wrote:
(January 29th, 2013, 14:50)MJW (ya that one) Wrote: Well I got second place... Yay....

Grats but I do think your 2 2-move-draws are dangerous close to violate the spirit if not that of good sportmanship then that of RB.

Yeah, two move draw is lame. nono

I am tempted to resign my last two games so MJW would miss 1st place because of these cheap draws... tongue then again that's not fair to other players either.

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