My read on novice has been relatively off as well, but it's nothing I've been able to pinpoint. I feel like either he is a wolf being all nice and dodgy while being ever present, or village that is having such a terrible off game.
(February 5th, 2013, 18:27)novice Wrote:
(February 5th, 2013, 18:03)Bigger Wrote: I don't know if you're scum or just really off your game. You're playing lazy this game, novice. Have you even had any reads yourself?
Mostly town reads. I had the second vote today on Tasunke though:
(February 5th, 2013, 03:37)novice Wrote: Tasunke, why did you suspect and keep voting Gaspar yesterday?
(Jkaen had the first with "something feels off")
Hmmm, this sounds kinda like "Hey don't look too hard at me, I'm being helpful too! But do look I got onto tasunke, love me!"
re: Bigger: I do agree that there are some other people that are suspicious. But I'm not sure if there's anyone else that I have a super strong read on at the moment.
Ichabod: Is blowing around a lot, seems to have opinions on a lot of people. The crusade on Meiz looks silly, but at least he has a little more stability today.
Molach: It doesn't make sense why he would leave that QT stuff from flug secret, when it would have been helpful. What else is scummy about him? I'll have to go look back and see.
I guess, I'm willing to put a vote on novice for now, see what comes of it.
Read through all of novice's posts... didn't take long.
*Vote Zak, joke
*Vote Meiz, pressure vote to get more information
*Unvote, Vote Flug - This is fine flug was being suspicious.
*Never changes vote after that on Day 1, which I think is again fine. SO what does he do the rest of the day?
*Muses about meta with village role PMs
*Responds to various people about questions other people have. Basically answering for other people.
*Questions Gaspar which I find interesting:
(February 3rd, 2013, 13:43)novice Wrote:
(February 3rd, 2013, 13:26)Gaspar Wrote: Going to reply to the Brothers Annoygasparov first:
(February 3rd, 2013, 05:00)novice Wrote:
(February 2nd, 2013, 23:44)Gaspar Wrote: Bigger, do you ever actually try in these games? You're trying to ride coattails of zak's flimsy but at least partly justified crusade against me. I especially don't like the post where you try to claim credit for being part of starting it when all you've actually contributed is a joke vote you haven't moved and your "me too" posts. I'm very sensitive to people trying to get in on or deflect credit before we know results, especially under no pressure. So here, have some pressure.
But why would scum Bigger want credit for your lynch, unless you yourself are scum?
Have we started lynching people for bad reads? In the games I've played, we give credit for being on the bus early and/or contributing heavily to it. So often when you get to day 4 or so the scum argument is something along the lines of "I read 4 days and nothing." If you can point to "I led the bus on Gaspar on day 1" great. Also, and I think this is the critical point - its highly unlikely I get lynched on day 1. I've never gotten lynched on day 1. I usually defend okay and there's usually someone who draws attention to themselves. Sure - maybe everyone reads this post and decides they want to put me in my place and there's nothing I can do to stop it - but barring something like that I know I'm not getting lynched today, zakalwe knows I'm not getting lynched today, you know I'm not getting lynched today and Bigger knows I'm not getting lynched today. So the only thing better than having credit for a failed lynch is having credit for being out in front of a lynch only to have the oh so stupid village fail to follow you.
The other thing, and the primary reason I'm on Bigger right now - villagers only get in the credit game when they're under pressure. Scum anticipate being under pressure and look for credit immediately. Most villagers take a Pollyanna view and think their villagerness will shine through and hence don't lay groundwork in the same way. Bigger started trying to "claim" my bus before he had gotten any pressure at all. Just doesn't make any sense.
Thanks Gaspar, I figured this was what you meant, but your elaboration is most eloquent. Sorry if I annoy you, don't you think my question was legitimate?
I take slight exception with "the other thing" though. As a villager I'm often keen to gain village cred, as I know I'm prone to catch heat eventually. Besides, my personal goal as town is usually to get nightkilled.
*Thanks for the scrapper
*Mentions possible possessed
* Has this string of posts that I find suspicious:
(February 3rd, 2013, 15:16)novice Wrote: What is the case on Ichabod?
(February 3rd, 2013, 15:34)novice Wrote:
(February 3rd, 2013, 15:23)Rowain Wrote:
(February 3rd, 2013, 15:16)novice Wrote: What is the case on Ichabod?
Perhaps you can start to look for the posts yourself? I think both myself and Serdoa have tried to talk about the reasons we think Ichabod should be lynched. I'm feeling a bit too old to be a tibetan prayingmill for some lazy girl-brat .
I've been reading along but I'm not convinced. I think summarizing the case could be useful, both for the Ichabod voters to gather their thoughts, and for everybody else to make up their mind.
I'm happy to stay on Flug, though.
(February 3rd, 2013, 15:40)novice Wrote: In fact I'm going to start herding a bit. Not lynching Flug would be a mistake at this point, IMO. It's thestick and selrahc all over. I've had enough of letting nondefenses slide.
(February 3rd, 2013, 15:44)novice Wrote:
(February 3rd, 2013, 14:03)Jkaen Wrote: Darn it I really don't wont to do this but Ichabod please defend yourself better
Why are you voting Ichabod? Is it just lack of defense? Do you think Flug is defending better? Ichabod at least stated that he didn't have time to defend properly.
I agree with Ichabod btw. that we're all very predictable...
*Then this one:
(February 3rd, 2013, 16:48)novice Wrote:
(February 3rd, 2013, 16:46)Meiz Wrote: I agree it makes little sense to post in the neighbor thread and not in the main thread, as a wolf. And I think Molach is probably a wolf, 2 neighbor wolves doesn't add up.
So Ichabod, unless people want to vote Molach.
The neighbour thing could be made up. Let's lynch Flug and then Molach.
*And this one:
(February 3rd, 2013, 16:52)novice Wrote: Not doing the late voting thing. Ends in tears. Flug mist die, it's his own blood on his hands. Molach tomorrow.
*Day ends Novice makes a big post about Ichabod telling everyone he thinks he's innocent but also says:
Quote:OK, so let me reassess. I think the arguments that Ichabod defended against in that post are weak, so I like his defense. That doesn't mean Ichabod's innocent though, it just means the case on him is weak. Let's recap the case, since you and Serdoa refused to do so, preferring to hit us with walls of quotes instead of trying to actually convince people.
and proceeds to go over the scum tells too. But in the end says that Ichabod is probably village because Ichabod is a good wolf and this is too sloppy.
Full post here: http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid337314
*Today he voted Tasunke, but when Brick votes Tasunke, he votes Brick in a name only vote post. WHen Tasunke flips scum he says:
(February 5th, 2013, 13:53)novice Wrote:
(February 5th, 2013, 13:41)Meiz Wrote: Yeah :D
PATH... WALL... RIVER!
Thanks for waiting until I unvoted Tasunke before vigging him.
Can I resume with my case on BRickAstley now? Oh wait, he totally nailed Tasunke.
Unvote.
I think that's actually pretty damning. He's basically saying he never suspected Tasunke because Brick is the one that nailed Tas. I think Novice just wanted to put some pressure on Tasunke and I think its possible he was doing so as scum buddy. WHen too many people hopped onto Tas, he flipped over to attack one of the band wagoners.
-To review Day 1 a lot of nothing and pushing of flug. Also a lot of defending of Ichabod and pushing flug past Ichabod. The string of posts where he asks what the case is against Ichabod and then says whatevr I'm not convince and then saying I'm going to catherd flug is a bit ridiculous. I thought flug need to go, yes. But I also wanted to organically see where people vote. Novice does that a lot too as villager. I think his pushing of flug was a little more emphatic than usual... its day 1?
-Also he was emphatic about we must lynch flug then Molach on day 2. This was before the lynch came due. WHy not wait to see hos flug flips before condemning Molach?
-You defend Molach today though. This seems backwards to me. I would give benefit of the doubt to someone before i knew all the information and then judge them once I do have it. Maybe now that Molach's under heat you want to get village cred if he flips villager?
-Then an ardent defense of Ichabod (with a caveat that well who knows I could be wrong) then now you vote Ichabod after he actually does put together a psuedo decent defense and, supposedly you attack him for going after gazglum, when now he's not doing that? Again backward. Maybe he's scum buddy and you want credit if he lynches?
-In my game as scum I vote the stick early in the dya that he got lynch and then switched off him. I also voted early in the day on Mattimeo and then switched off him. Both times I was looking to gain a bit of credit by voting for scumbuddies who might go down. I think you did that with Tasunke, not expecting to lose him so soon.
Novice
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
(February 3rd, 2013, 16:52)novice Wrote: Not doing the late voting thing. Ends in tears. Flug mist die, it's his own blood on his hands. Molach tomorrow.
super scummy. This is a post where Novice justifies not switching off his target. Why would a villager do this? Why would a villager telegraph to scum that he's not going to switch? He's justifying REALLY hard.
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
This is pretty... silly? You have only village leans. There is no scum lean. By your own admitance the scummy ones are by elimination? So no one has done anything scummy?? Ichabod is on your village list, but you vote for him? He's already under pressure! How is voting for him going to make him give up anything? Village novice puts pressure on people to find more information, no?
Why didn't you vote for Azza, Bigger, Me or Mattimeo? Why not put pressure on me? or Matt? Azza is like... immune to pressure so I get that. Matt isn't.
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
Haven't read your posts yet, Lewwyn, but I remember the same MO in that game where you were a wolf. Quiet day 1, day 2 come with a magnum opus on some player.
(February 5th, 2013, 21:14)Ichabod Wrote: Haven't read your posts yet, Lewwyn, but I remember the same MO in that game where you were a wolf. Quiet day 1, day 2 come with a magnum opus on some player.
Curious.
Should I be worried?
I'll sleep in it.
Sleep on it. And you should read my posts from yesterday as well as the ones today. I think they speak for themselves.
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
(February 5th, 2013, 21:14)Ichabod Wrote: Haven't read your posts yet, Lewwyn, but I remember the same MO in that game where you were a wolf. Quiet day 1, day 2 come with a magnum opus on some player.
Curious.
Should I be worried?
I'll sleep in it.
Let's bow to your wonderful insights almighty Ichabod.
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I don't know if you're scum or just really off your game. You're playing lazy this game, novice. Have you even had any reads yourself?
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