(February 6th, 2013, 13:02)Ichabod Wrote: Rowain, make a vote, please. You are just skating by this day.
I'd like Rowain to vote too, but skating by is imo not true. He did voice his opinions, that what matters. We can look back and get a feel if his play is consistent.
As for Jkaen: I also don't believe him that he is just a vanilla villager. But he might have reasons to lie, as he might have had reasons to lie when he told us he has a bond with you.
I remember a lot of questions asked and a case on Jkaen.
Yep. I consider this more than we have from many other players. At least for me that is important as it is something I can refer to later on and get an idea if his behaviour changed. Also even without vote it still gives me an idea about his thoughts, thats important. I can't say the same for Mattimeo for example. Though he voted, I have absolutely nothing when I think about him.
You have already revealed everything necessary to get you nightkilled anyhow if you are a villager. So why not reveal fully? All the time I only saw lieing villagers or wolfs do a reveal like that. But that is certainly not your style Bigger, as you know that it makes no sense. Either reveal full or don't reveal. But hinting at an ability that also is confirming you as a villager but not revealing? No.
Also, you are just to full of yourself in that post. That sounds for me much like a wolf that is trying to appear as certain as possible to make the others reconsider and not like a villager. Also stating that you don't have time to read carefully but at the same time state that you are even in that case a good scum hunter just makes no sense at all.
Damn't Serdoa. Words can't express how annoying this post is. Not because of the message, but because its from YOU. You Should know better, and you knew damn well why I didn't want to reveal, and this reveal forces me to do so. I don't feel a lot of pressure, especially since Azza's vote is because "I might be SK," which is a really stupid reason to vote on day 2. But I won't be able to log in after this post until hours after the deadline, and I was counted on you to defend me, and don't want to risk crazy lynch dead-line hijinks, so now I have to reveal. Thanks.
FYI, I have always come in every village game with a plan or gambit of some kind, so this is EXACTLY my style. So what if I get night killed? someone has to die, if scum thinks I'm a vig or seer or doctor and they waste a kill, yay! wtf was the purpose of pointing that out? THINK. I also don't understand why you are allowed to be cocky and full of yourself every game and I'm not. I don't understand the purpose of your post, unless you were trying to get me to doubt my town read on you.
This is my ability: I can send a private message to a player every night. I send it to uber, he sends it on to the player of my choice. I can't lie and pretend to be someone else, I have to .
Last night I sent a message to Serdoa. I didn't know Gaspar would be vigged, and he was my top suspect. So I laid out my suspicions and asked Serdoa to help me put pressure on Gaspar. I intended to stick to him all day today. I chose Serdoa because he was my strongest village read at the time.
You can judge for yourself, but I think this clears me. Voting for a fellow wolf for cover is one thing, but asking a villager privately to join me on him would be terrible play.
Don't really know what to say about the SK accusation. I'm not a SK, and voting for a SK on day 2 is just insanely dumb. But judge for yourself. I'll be on next deadline, since its a Saturday and I don't work. Hopefully I live that long .
If I had more time I might change to Jkaen. But I could only skim today, so for now I'll stay with novice
Please don't go. The drones need you. They look up to you.
(February 6th, 2013, 13:24)Serdoa Wrote: As for Jkaen: I also don't believe him that he is just a vanilla villager. But he might have reasons to lie, as he might have had reasons to lie when he told us he has a bond with you.
I was about to rip into Ichabod for posting jkaen's defense before jkaen could, but now i think i see a probable town reason for that.
@Ichabod-
10 posts is a hassle. I've tried to conserve them as much as possible (all those wall-of-text posts) but the limitation is truthful. I was going to ask how you could believe jkaen's limitation and doubt mine, but i have a hunch as to why.
If you're confident jkaen is town i'm going to go to someone who i was going to vote before the jkaen reveal, someone who has lurked through this whole day 2 clusterf#*k
(February 6th, 2013, 13:17)Jkaen Wrote: Q, what is the Molach theory other than him not posting the QT?
Firstly not attempting to defend flug despite possessing info. the rest didn't, simply weakly defending him on a way that convinced nobody,
The end of day actions yesterday, instead of voting ichabpd or defending flyg, he tried to lynch brick and did so with such lack of reasoning (and when he dis, such awful reasoning) that he would neverve been lunched,
Lack of acumhuntung, he only really posts to defend himself.
Finally gut
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(February 6th, 2013, 14:01)Bigger Wrote: I don't feel a lot of pressure, especially since Azza's vote is because "I might be SK," which is a really stupid reason to vote on day 2.
It doesn't matter when it happens, every anti-town threat has to be eliminated. And right now, the case I'm most convinced of is you being a serial killer.
(February 6th, 2013, 05:35)novice Wrote: Well, first of all, love me! Second of all, I brought up my reads specifically because you asked me for them. I would refute the laziness thing too, but I can't be bothered.
I never called you lazy, I said your reads seemed either like you we're having a horrible villager game, or you were a wolf trying to be dodgy. The second part of that, I decided that I thought you were trying to look active without being too committal.
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(February 5th, 2013, 20:54)Lewwyn Wrote: Read through all of novice's posts... didn't take long.
*Vote Zak, joke
*Vote Meiz, pressure vote to get more information
*Unvote, Vote Flug - This is fine flug was being suspicious.
*Never changes vote after that on Day 1, which I think is again fine. SO what does he do the rest of the day?
*Muses about meta with village role PMs
Okay so so far this is fine, I would think?
Yup. I think that's fine. So are the next few I'm not commenting on to save room.
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(February 5th, 2013, 20:54)Lewwyn Wrote: * Has this string of posts that I find suspicious:
(February 3rd, 2013, 15:16)novice Wrote: What is the case on Ichabod?
(February 3rd, 2013, 15:34)novice Wrote:
(February 3rd, 2013, 15:23)Rowain Wrote:
(February 3rd, 2013, 15:16)novice Wrote: What is the case on Ichabod?
Perhaps you can start to look for the posts yourself? I think both myself and Serdoa have tried to talk about the reasons we think Ichabod should be lynched. I'm feeling a bit too old to be a tibetan prayingmill for some lazy girl-brat .
I've been reading along but I'm not convinced. I think summarizing the case could be useful, both for the Ichabod voters to gather their thoughts, and for everybody else to make up their mind.
I'm happy to stay on Flug, though.
(February 3rd, 2013, 15:40)novice Wrote: In fact I'm going to start herding a bit. Not lynching Flug would be a mistake at this point, IMO. It's thestick and selrahc all over. I've had enough of letting nondefenses slide.
(February 3rd, 2013, 15:44)novice Wrote:
(February 3rd, 2013, 14:03)Jkaen Wrote: Darn it I really don't wont to do this but Ichabod please defend yourself better
Why are you voting Ichabod? Is it just lack of defense? Do you think Flug is defending better? Ichabod at least stated that he didn't have time to defend properly.
I agree with Ichabod btw. that we're all very predictable...
Well those are posts consistent with me having a town read on Ichabod I would think. I explained at the time why I had the reads I had on Ichabod. Again, what's suspicious about this.
I take special note of the line saying we're all very predictable. Your desire to drive a new player to death, when he looked very much (to me at least) as a new player who just didn't know any better, is what looks predictable (and foolish) to me.
Re: the rest of the flug/Ichabod crap: don't care, I just think flug was a bad lynch. Nothing more to say.
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(February 5th, 2013, 20:54)Lewwyn Wrote: *Today he voted Tasunke, but when Brick votes Tasunke, he votes Brick in a name only vote post. WHen Tasunke flips scum he says:
(February 5th, 2013, 13:53)novice Wrote:
(February 5th, 2013, 13:41)Meiz Wrote: Yeah :D
PATH... WALL... RIVER!
Thanks for waiting until I unvoted Tasunke before vigging him.
Can I resume with my case on BRickAstley now? Oh wait, he totally nailed Tasunke.
Unvote.
I think that's actually pretty damning. He's basically saying he never suspected Tasunke because Brick is the one that nailed Tas. I think Novice just wanted to put some pressure on Tasunke and I think its possible he was doing so as scum buddy. WHen too many people hopped onto Tas, he flipped over to attack one of the band wagoners.
The bolded part is nonsense. Really bad statement there Lewwyn. I'm saying that BRick nailed Tasunke, that doesn't mean he was the only one suspecting him. I suspected Tasunke too, that's why I voted for him at the start of the day, because I realized that his bogus votes on Gaspar were suspicious. This triggered a huge scummy post by Tasunke that others picked up on. So I'm actually very happy with my role in Tasunke's death.
My vote for BRickAstley was because I was building a case on him based on his day one interactions with Gaspar that I was planning to publish. And I wanted to get it in quickly before Tasunke's wagon became unstoppable so that I could apply some real pressure to BRick. I would have been perfectly happy to end up on Tasunke come deadline, though. With all the heat Tasunke was attracting so quickly I was confident we could get him lynched if I worked for it.
Then Meiz cut things short and BRickAstley looked very innocent. In parallell, I had begun to doubt my own case on BRick as I read the last part of day one. I found BRick's posts where he pursued his Ichabod suspicions villagery. So I just dropped the vote, choosing not to muddy the waters by bringing up an obsolete case.
So you're saying that you voted tasunke cause you thought he was suspicious, recognized that his response was scummy, and then... Left your scum read that you made freak out to analyze someone else? If you get your teeth into a villain, you don't let him go so that you can gnaw on a few other people and see if they're tasty, you stay with your target until you bring them down. I fail to see why a scum hunting novice would be so willing to corner a scum and then let him go when he shows more scummy.
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(February 6th, 2013, 01:56)Meiz Wrote: I'll go for novice, since he should already be on my villager list, but isn't even close, so he must be scum.
I don't think I've ever seen you use this one, Meiz. You usually point out scum tells instead of lack of town tells.
I don't think I've ever seen you use this one, novice. It's usually regarded that villagers are supposed to use whatever they can to find scum, instead of relying on having to find explicit scum tells to reason out guilt.
Novice votes Brick. I think it's telling. Why doesn't he want to apply pressure for his suspect?
Bolded line, indeed I did. Why would I push Tasunke when Molach was already lining up as lynch of the day?
Answer to the final question: I did want to apply pressure to Tasunke, I just figured he had enough pressure and I wanted to pressure BRick too.
Again, I don't understand this fascination with trying to pressure as many people as possible. oh! ESPECIALLY, when you consider your day one, where you got a target, and put pressure on them, and were crazy stuck on getting that person lynched no matter what. Whereas today, you got a target, and put pressure on them, and were crazy stuck on getting that person lynched UNTIL they got lots of pressure. And the only other difference I see there is that the first one was village, the second one was scum.
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