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This back from Pirates
Quote:Gillette:
We are fine with gifting you Wine; we're swimming in happiness at the moment, with Heredity Rule Quechuas everywhere. We're a bit wary of giving out cash. What exactly are you planning on using it for?
Has Tasunke shown any interest in dogpiling the Trolls?
-The Pirates
How about - "Tas says he's keen, but I wouldn't leave your borders empty until he declares. We'd use any cash for unit upgrades at this point, and pay you back in full (although we wouldn't want to pay interest - we are doing this for the good of the game after all!) after the war if Trolls are knocked down far enough that there is any point playing on..."
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That seems good 
Have we prodded TEAM in a while asking about their plans?
April 5th, 2013, 16:01
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Okay, sent this to Pirates:
Quote:Hi Pirates,
Tas says he's keen, but I wouldn't leave your borders empty until he declares. We'd use any cash for unit upgrades at this point, and pay you back in full (although we wouldn't want to pay interest - we are doing this for the good of the game after all!) after the war if Trolls are knocked down far enough that there is any point playing on...
At present that's not looking very likely, but we live in hope!
Old Harry
And how about this for TEAM, using Yossarian's analysis to try and stir some movement:
Quote:Hi Tasunke,
Thought you might be interested in the disposition of Troll assets. Just maybe.
They have:
13 maces a pike and a catapult in WIFOM,
3 maces somewhere between WIFOM and Bloody Mary,
a couple of pikes and a spear near Bloody Mary,
3 maces and a crossbow in White Russian,
4 maces a spear and an archer in On the Rocks
and we suspect another 13 maces worth of power spread through their remaining 10 cities. They don't have guilds yet but do have engineering.
This makes us think that on your border they could be weaker, but they whipped a lot this turn, so I'd expect a few pikes to be appearing.
Hope that helps
Old Harry
Actually they haven't played yet, so I'll just send that as it is.
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Quote: me: Would you guess this is my second MP war ever?
Doesn't look like we're going to achieve what we set out to...
plako: Doing ok - Built up the army nicely. Couple of mistakes, but nothing major
me: (my first one I lost half an empire though so its an improvement)
Splitting off the knights was dumb, but couldn't really think
of anything better to do than pillage
plako: Might have worked - in case we didn't have enough cats or RNG would have hated us
Sent at 9:47 PM on Saturday
me: Yeah, I now think that we should have tried to send the knights to Bloody Mary and the 1-movers to WIFOM
The terrain and culture just meant it took us too long to get to WIFOM
plako: Possibly. However Knights alone won't break Castles
me: I was wondering what was going on when you built the walls - then saw the castle and realised
You had your maces halfway between - so you could have put as many as you wanted in either?
plako: y
me: We scouted the turn we declared and only saw 8 maces, I guess the rest were in transit
Ah well I'll get on and work out what our options are now...
plako: well had to wait until we see where you were heading
me: Worked pretty well
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Plako chatted with me while my phone was in my pocket earlier: Quote:Plako: FYI - Katana will be in danger next turn next turn. We're up to peace talk.
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I just sent this to TEAM:
Quote:Hi Tasunke,
Will you be attacking TEAM next turn? If not we're going to have to ask them for peace.
Old Harry
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So I had a chance to run a couple of sims of the attack on WIFOM - gave our troops all the promotions and limited their defence to just what we've seen. I got nowhere near taking it.
The Plako caught me on chat:
Quote:me: Hi
plako: hi
me: Hows it going?
plako: ok - Your suggestions isn't good enough. You're also highly unlikely to get WIFOM
me: Yeah, thought it'd be better to ask too much than too little
What is your suggestion?
plako: Katana+Island city+longish NAP (need to verify these with the team, but this would enough to me)
Our economy is totally wasted because of all the drafting
me: I don't think that works for us. You can have the island city, but losing Katana hurts too much. If we sign peace you can roll over TEAM with your new army, so I don't think your economy will be down for long...
plako: New war won't be helping our economy
me: It'll save you on unit costs...
plako:
me:
plako: You're techincally correct in case we lose
me: You wouldn't plan for that though, so I can see your dilemma
plako: Well we can also raze Katana and continue. Neither of us gets anything and rest of the world continues to catch up
Jemmy won't be easy to keep after that either
me: Sorry I'm distracted by football
plako: np
me: Its not going well...
plako: you mean football
me: Among other things...
Its true our chances of taking WIFOM are lower than yours of taking Katana. (Well okay you're certain to take Katana). So how about something else? Units? we can't offer catapults, but I have a few knights we don't necessarily need.
plako: That could work. How many?
You don't have that many I presume
me: Not any more 
plako: You don't have much more than those 4
me: How about three of the four in your territory?
plako: I need to talk to the team, but that sounds a bit too little. Maybe couple of galleys with 4 Berserkers alongside with those would make it
We would also need to get temporarily your furs to fight against unhappiness in case we don't get Katana
me: Furs isn't a problem. I don't like the idea of giving up so many units though.
me: I think a couple of galleys and four zerks instead of the knights would be okay for us. Plus furs.
plako: Well that soe not sound quite enough. Maybe replacing the captured workers and razed city would be enough. That would be at least something I could suggest to the team. Naturally the island city too
me: They are +1 movement galleys - pretty special. Yeah, forgot the island city, all yours.
plako: 2* workers (immediately)+settler (e.g. within 10T) + 2*galleys+4*zerks+island city + furs for 30T. This sounds something I could present to the team
NAP up to T190?
me: Scratch the settler and I think our team could be interested. Long NAP is acceptable.
me: We like Katana, but we're always going to have the problem of it being crushed by your culture, so I think that lot outweighs it.
plako:: It is good city as is. All the resources are there.
me: I'll put the suggestion to the team and see what they say. Not sure when the server will be back up, so will try to get back to you tonight or tomorrow
(GMT) - where are you based?
plako: I'll do likewise and we'll see what happens
I'm GMT+2 or 3 not sure now after summer time started
me: You've got summer time? Its just been rain for ever here...
plako: Still snow here too
me: Sounds fun!
me: Okay, I'll see what the team says, but we still remember how nicely you arranged our borders out of our last negotiation, so don't be surprised if they don't go for it...
plako: Might be that our team don't like this too much either.
Not sure we really want to continue fighting and this deal is decent only in that case
when we want to do that
me: Yeah, but they know how good you are at negotiating
plako: Not so sure about that. The dealcurrently dicussed does not feel that great after wasting so much efforts to raise army
me: So I should quit while I'm ahead?
Okay
Better go...
me: Cya
plako: cya
So I think even with the settler we're better off accepting. But remember how poor I am at negotiation.
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April 11th, 2013, 18:13
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How about this for a peace message:
Quote: Hi Plako
We've discussed it and the settler is difficult as we too will be rebuilding our economy after some frankly despotic leadership. Can we instead offer two more Zerks. That makes the peace deal:
- 6 Berzerkers
- 2 galleys
- 2 workers
- Island city
- 30 turns of fur
- NAP to t200
I didn't want to offer in game until we'd thrashed out the details. We understand that your golden age is due to end soon though and that Katana is at risk, so if you can catch me on chat tomorrow to confirm or negotiate further then I can log in and accept and let you play the rest of your turn normally.
Edit: Sent
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April 11th, 2013, 18:59
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Too late Tasunke:
Quote:Don't peace. And probably yes.
(this arrived 20 minutes ago, I won't bother replying)
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Oh Tasunke you've got the worst timing!
If Plako insists on the Settler, do we keep at it, then?
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