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And the same message from Tas:
Quote:Hello, I would be willing to reopen borders for trade, so long as we do not include a clause for military unit right of passage 
Which is odd because we have open borders. Unless he just closed borders. That's just bizarre. I was thinking about suggesting we should gift the two knights to help TEAM fight the Trolls. But let's not.
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Logged in and yes, Tas has closed borders with us 
Just sent this:
Quote:Sure, we don't need ROP. I've re-offered open borders.
An email would have been sufficient and may have saved you losing a turns-worth of gold.
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Just sent this to M3:
Quote:Hi M3
I just thought I'd ask about borrowing marble for our national epic. I'm not sure if we have anything you'd like, but I could offer not to chop the trees south of Cornfield (which you'll get eventually) and to extend our NAP from T175. When would you like it to last to? T190?
If you can think of anything else you'd like instead let us know.
Cheers
Old Harry
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Just sent to trolls:
Quote:Hi Trolls,
Sure, we'll move them out asap. Unfortunately they can't go into TEAM territory, so will skirt the northern edge of your lands.
Regards
Gillette
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Woohoo!
Quote:Would you be ok with also sending us a couple gold per turn during the time you are using the Marble?
So the exchange would be that we send you the marble so you can quickly complete your Wonder. You send us a couple GPT, don't chop the trees south of Cornfield, and we can extend our NAP. T190 sounds fine for now if that's what you would like.
-HAK-
I'm going to reply:
Quote:That sounds reasonable. I've stopped chopping that forest - you only need to put one more turn in once your culture claims it.
I'll offer marble for 2gpt (I presume that's what you meant by a couple). T190 is good for now, but if you'd like longer just let us know.
Gillette
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I just noticed this short message arrived from m3 yesterday:
Quote:Thanks, guys
May 11th, 2013, 18:24
(This post was last modified: May 11th, 2013, 18:25 by Old Harry.)
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Had a chat with HAK before I played the turn:
Quote:HAK: Heya. When you get a chance, got a question for ya.
What's the deal right now between Gillette & Trolls? What did you guys have to sign as a NAP? Any chance you might be building up for another go at them?
Me: I'm afraid we're NAPed up to t200, (Then I said some other stuff that I've lost cos it was on my phone...)
HAK: It'd be nice to try to make a coordinated attack this time. The game doesn't seem to be going anywhere great at this point, so I'm thinking one last hurrah might just be on the horizon.
Me: we may be in good shape for a rifle-powered attack by then as their specialist economy stagnates, but I was going to ask pirates if they'd attack team to make sure Trolls don't get all their land.
HAK: yeah, since Trolls are steamrolling over TEAM.
and they just got Notre Dame
I was 5 or 6 turns from finishing it.
Me: Aw crap. Do you know where they built it?
HAK: Hmm, not offhand. I'll have to log back in to see if I can determine that. I think the log doesn't state where though.
So would have to send my scouts back in. Right now they've been wandering around TEAM seeing their situation.
Also, Zakalwe has been presuring us via messages asking if we wanted to extend our NAP.
He sent multiple messages before I finally responded with a quick "I've been busy and will try to get it discussed with my team" type thing.
his original statement was "Also, if you wish to extend the NAP past T160 we need to get that settled now. Our troops need orders."
So I have a feeling he was hinting along the lines of if we don't extend the NAP, he'll be sending troops near us or something like that
Me: You don't want to be taking them on any time soon - if you go for a t200 NAP we might be on board with a joint attack then. We'll have to see how the next 40 turns pan out, but I hope to have a decent military then..
(Inconsequential blather about Iain Banks and unpronounceable character names)
HAK: ok, guess extending the NAP is probably a good idea. I'm slowly building up military too and stacking them a little ways from his borders. And just switched civics to get more xp on the new ones.
anyway, need to hop in the shower and get my day started. Gotta be outta the house in 30 min for an appointment.
Me: Cool, try to get t200 for the NAP
HAK: will do. l8rs
Me: We can try the phoney war thing again!
If they try t190 say you can't cos that coincides with our NAP...
cya
HAK: :0
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How honest were you being with them? How the heck could we get to Rifles by T200? They know nothing about SFL right? Even if we could get to Rifles by T190 or so (do we need anything other than Gunpowder, Replaceable Parts, and Rifling? Maybe Printing Press and Banking as prerequisites?), do we want to fight Trolls? If we defend our current portion of the mainland and all of SFL, would we have more land than Trolls? Heck, to look a bit far in the future, how much of the total land is SFL, and could we get to the domination threshold like that, and maybe a couple Trolls cities?
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I haven't simmed how the golden age will affect our tech rate or how many bulbs we're going to be able to do. I presume that t200 will be too soon, but its better to have our NAPs coincide. Should we send a message clarifying that?
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We should send Q a summary of our attempts at cooperation with TEAM. This might be a good opportunity to regain a solid ally north of trolls.
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