Pitboss 11 Organizing Thread

[Kuro]

Also, should I contact Sunrise about the server, since he said he'd try to get it up this weekend?

[Jowy]

Here is an update from Sunrise:
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid370018

[Kuro]

Oh, I did not see that. Thank you for posting that, Jowy!

[WilliamLP]

GSpy scouting is a bad idea because you don't use it for map info: You use it to see any attacks that could be coming near you and make yourself extremely hard to kill because with your GSpy(Or even GSpys( roaming around nobody can get off an attack without you seeing the buildup. Same as why normal Spys are banned (Along with some other ones).

I'm going to get outvoted happily, but show me. You can do that with the power graph and espionage and sentry units anyway. I don't see it breaking the game or making an "I win" strat or being something everyone (or anyone) will rush to, which would be the reason to ban something. They're supposed to be powerful and game-changing - they're not called "mediocre people".

[Oxyphenbutazone]

It goes against the principle of the no-spy ban though- no scouting out enemy lands. I guess to be truly in the spirit, we could have banned air ships as well, but w/e.

[BaII]

True William, that you can see when someone is going to attack with the power Graph. However we do not know where the attack is coming from, or who he is targeting.

There are only 2 ways to make effective gains when playing against a competent Human player. There is the dagger(quick attack that is going to catch your opponents by surprise) or the hammer(where your stack is just overwhelming to a point where your opponent can't do anything). There is almost no way your opponent can perform a dagger with you having invisible units running around in their territory.

[WilliamLP]

True William, that you can see when someone is going to attack with the power Graph. However we do not know where the attack is coming from, or who he is targeting.

There are only 2 ways to make effective gains when playing against a competent Human player. There is the dagger(quick attack that is going to catch your opponents by surprise) or the hammer(where your stack is just overwhelming to a point where your opponent can't do anything). There is almost no way your opponent can perform a dagger with you having invisible units running around in their territory.

You'd get to have visibility of one key border area at once, that's all. If GSpies could scout, would you rush Great Wall and run spy specialists, at the opportunity cost of a shrine, academy, free wonder, cash bomb, or golden age? I don't think anyone would, but I could be wrong. Thematically, it makes sense to ban it but not on the basis of being overpowered, imo.

[Kuro]

True William, that you can see when someone is going to attack with the power Graph. However we do not know where the attack is coming from, or who he is targeting.

There are only 2 ways to make effective gains when playing against a competent Human player. There is the dagger(quick attack that is going to catch your opponents by surprise) or the hammer(where your stack is just overwhelming to a point where your opponent can't do anything). There is almost no way your opponent can perform a dagger with you having invisible units running around in their territory.

You'd get to have visibility of one key border area at once, that's all. If GSpies could scout, would you rush Great Wall and run spy specialists, at the opportunity cost of a shrine, academy, free wonder, cash bomb, or golden age? I don't think anyone would, but I could be wrong. Thematically, it makes sense to ban it but not on the basis of being overpowered, imo.

It would certainly make me more willing to build the Great Wall. Also, you'd get more, as you would be constantly patrolling enemy lands and following produced units around. You get protection on all of your borders, really. I'm pretty sure one of Sullla's reports talked about it some.

BaII pretty much has it down. You can't effectively dagger someone who uses a Spy/GSpy(s ) well as long as they use it right.

[Sisu]

I don't feel GSpies are overpowered per se, but they distort the game. We've already voted that we don't want mass-produced invisible units running around giving perfect troop deployment info; I see no reason to abrogate that policy for singletons.

That said, so long as everyone votes their preference, I don't see it seriously warping the game one way or another; GSpies carry enough opportunity cost, as WilliamLP has pointed out.

[Kuro]

It's fairly overwhelming for no scouting, so myes.