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Kyan's PBEM50 Thread [SPOILERS]

Subsistence agriculture is self-sufficiency farming in which the farmers focus on growing enough food to feed themselves and their families. The typical subsistence farm has a range of crops and animals needed by the family to feed and clothe themselves during the year. Planting decisions are made principally with an eye toward what the family will need during the coming year, and secondarily toward market prices. Tony Waters[1] writes: "Subsistence peasants are people who grow what they eat, build their own houses, and live without regularly making purchases in the marketplace." However, despite the primacy of self-sufficiency in subsistence farming, today most subsistence farmers also participate in trade to some degree, though usually it is for goods that are not necessary for survival, and may include sugar, iron roofing sheets, bicycles, used clothing, and so forth. Most subsistence farmers today live in developing countries. Although their amount of trade as measured in cash is less than that of consumers in countries with modern complex markets, many have important trade contacts and trade items that they can produce because of their special skills or special access to resources valued in the marketplace.[2]

Subsistence grain-growing agriculture (predominantly wheat and barley) first emerged during the Neolithic Revolution when humans began to settle in the Nile, Euphrates, and Indus River Valleys. Subsistence agriculture also emerged independently in Mexico where it was based on maize cultivation, and the Andes where it was based on the domestication of the potato. Subsistence agriculture was the dominant mode of production in the world until recently, when market-based capitalism became widespread. Subsistence horticulture may have developed independently in South East Asia and Papua New Guinea.

Subsistence farming continues today in large parts of rural Africa,[3] and parts of Asia and Latin America. Subsistence agriculture had largely disappeared in Europe by the beginning of World War I, and in North America with the movement of sharecroppers and tenant farmers out of the American South and Midwest during the 1930s and 1940s.[1] As recently as the 1950s, it was still common on family farms in North America and Europe to grow much of a family's own food and make much of its own clothing, although sales of some of the farm's production earned enough currency to buy certain staples, typically including sugar; coffee and tea; petroleum distillates (petrol, kerosene, fuel oil); textile products such as bolts of cloth, needles, and thread; medicines; hardware products such as nails, screws, and wire; and a few discretionary items such as candy or books. Many of the preceding items, as well as occasional services from physicians, veterinarians, blacksmiths, and others, were often bought with barter rather than currency. In Central and Eastern Europe subsistence and semi-subsistence agriculture reappeared within the transition economy since about 1990.
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Leaders:

TBC

Map Details:

Torusland•standard size
•6 players
•ancient/quick
•waterways (29%)
•1 improvement per 30 tiles
•stack starting units (settler and scout for everyone)
•36x36 tiles


Realms Beyond's 50th BTS PBEM. Crazy. Let's make this one to remember. We may not be the stars of this show but like hell are we going to be irrelevant. We can win this. I accept that we're not the favourites, but if the favourites always won, betting wouldn't be such big business.

If anyone wants to hop on board with me and Q, you are more than welcome.
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Alexander (Agg, Phi)of China (Agriculture, Mining)
Asoka (Org, Spi)of Netherlands (Agriculture, Fishing)
Augustus (Imp, Ind) of Babylon (Agriculture, The Wheel)
Suryavarman (Exp, Cre)of Germany (Hunting, Mining)
Louis XIV (Cre, Ind)of Persia (Agriculture, Hunting)
Genghis Khan (Agg, Imp) of France (Agriculture, The Wheel)
Napoleon (Cha, Org)of Rome (Fishing, Mining)
Julius Caesar (Imp, Org)of Viking (Hunting, Fishing)
Charles de Gaulle (Ind, Cha)of England (Fishing, Mining)
Justinian (Spi, Imp)of Spain (Fishing, Mysticism)
Zara Yaqob (Cre, Org) of Celts (Hunting, Mysticism)

We are second to pick, fifth in turn order.
I want Sury>Louis>Asoka I think, but we should wait to see the starts.
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Actually maybe Zara before Asoka...
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(May 20th, 2013, 13:41)Qgqqqqq Wrote: Alexander (Agg, Phi)of China (Agriculture, Mining)
Asoka (Org, Spi)of Netherlands (Agriculture, Fishing)
Augustus (Imp, Ind) of Babylon (Agriculture, The Wheel)
Suryavarman (Exp, Cre)of Germany (Hunting, Mining)
Louis XIV (Cre, Ind)of Persia (Agriculture, Hunting)
Genghis Khan (Agg, Imp) of France (Agriculture, The Wheel)
Napoleon (Cha, Org)of Rome (Fishing, Mining)
Julius Caesar (Imp, Org)of Viking (Hunting, Fishing)
Charles de Gaulle (Ind, Cha)of England (Fishing, Mining)
Justinian (Spi, Imp)of Spain (Fishing, Mysticism)
Zara Yaqob (Cre, Org) of Celts (Hunting, Mysticism)

We are second to pick, fifth in turn order.
I want Sury>Louis>Asoka I think, but we should wait to see the starts.

Hmm, proper analysis tomorrow; however, my favourites in no order, are:

De Gaulle of England
Louis of Persia
Suryavaraman of Germany

I would prefer De Gaulle to Louis as, with these choices, he's a lock for Stonehenge. The above three along with Zara are all very likely to be picked. So that leaves us with De Gaulle (IND, faux-CRE, CHA) vs Sury (CRE, EXP). Our choice could be made up by either the guy picking before us or by the map. IND won't be *as* strong when you consider a) Louis will be picked and b) there will be some nutty micro going on.

Throw me in a vacuum right now though and i'm inclined towards De Gaulle...
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Idk why [Lincoln (Phi, Cha) of Aztecs (Mysticism, Hunting)] wasn't included, he'd be my choice before some (Alex, Ghengis).
I think Sury is probably stronger then either, as there are a lot of IND leaders in that mix, you're probably right about De Gaulle, though I worry about our expansion.
Who do you think Krill would go for?
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Kyan, your start sir:

[Image: start.xxd.JPG]
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:vomit:
Ok I love gold, but not knowing the food is gonna suuuck.
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De Gaulle then?
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I don't understand. The whole point of asking for a starting screenshot was to assist in determining which starting techs are relevant. Knowing the food is key for that, so why have you intentionally fogged them out?

I do appreciate you making the map, but, and perhaps I am wrong, this is not what the players asked for. I'm not comfortable picking a leader/civ until either the players have voted in favour of not showing the food, or I know what food is there. Pitboss 3 start was not a pleasant experience.

That aside, the start looks like a financial leader's wet dream. Grassland river valley. Not a huge amount of trees, but gold to make you want mining anyhow (took me awhile to realise I wouldn't need crafting).
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