WW24: The Ashes of Brigdarrow: VILLAGE WINS

[Serdoa]

Ok, so I'm not posting enough to get a read, but you're read on me is that I'm scummy. That makes perfect sense.

Would you provide me with the part of my post that said that I can't get a read on you because you do not post enough?

Apart from that I did not state that in my post, yes my read on you is that you are scummy because all you did was an unexplained opening post, followed by attacking those that suspected you for it, followed by more attacks onto those that suspect you for not contributing anything more than attacks on those that point out unusual behaviour from your side. Unusual behaviour that you yourself EXPECTED to lead to exactly these suspicions. So what's the attacks for? That players react to your play in the way you had to expect them to react? We get back to my initial question of "why did you do it?" which you answered with "I felt like it". Well, and I feel like pressuring you for it, because every post so far since that initial post has done nothing to make you less scummy. Maybe that first post was indeed just a joke but every post so far since hasn't made me feel any better about your alignment.

[Azza]

Everyone is scum.

Is that better? Now I'm attacking everyone. :rolleyes:

[Ichabod]

I feel compassion for BRick, since I was in the end of the Lewwyn/Zak combo attack last game I've played. Lewwyn feels like he was in that game, where he was scum.

My case is the best one, I think. Slowcheetah revenge voted me and disappeared, which seems in character for scum to me. Other players and arguments didn't make much sense to me. So, I'm voting again for slowcheetah. The fact that nobody voted with me in the first time I posted this actually makes me feel even more sure, since I never lynch a caught wolf.

[novice]

Going back to the start of the day:

I'm the miller.

Azza

I understand the miller claim, that's a funny and obvious joke IMO. But why the self-vote, Azza?

[Azza]

Because I've tried to policy lynch miller claims every time it's happened.

[novice]

Because I've tried to policy lynch miller claims every time it's happened.

That makes sense. I reread the thread and I can totally see where Serdoa is coming from. When you said "because I felt like it" that felt like an inadequate explanation, because the self-vote implies some sort of gambit. But actually it was part of the joke.

Ichabod, can you explain your case on Slowcheetah in a bit more detail? The inability to filter the thread on poster is very annoying, it's making it hard to check up on people's theories.

[slowcheetah]

So to me there seems to be three main lynch options at this point; Brick, Azza and my personal favourite Ichabod.

I honestly didn't see too much wrong with bricks first post, however Lewwyn jumping all over him seems to have cracked him up a lot.

Azza actually feels innocent to me, his miller joke coupled to his tendency to be curt to the detriment of his points I think has led to his downfall. He may still be a wolf, but I don't think he's played a scummy Azza game.

I like Ichabod as scum, almost wholly because of this post:

Well, when Slowcheetah reveals as a wolf we can discuss if it was contrived or not.

And Wolfabod will do what's best to take Zak, the hunter, out of his feet:

BRickAstley

He's trying to bribe the cops, but is letting the village know that he's bribing the cops so he seems more innocent. In my opinion this post when added to the contrived nature of his earlier arguments against myself (brought up by Zak and Novice), leads to a good bet at a wolf.

Ichabod is the most likely wolf for me.

[zakalwe]

Yeah, a proper thread filtering feature would be a lifesaver.

I've tried looking at Slowcheetah again and he doesn't give me much of a scum vibe. I think I see what Ichabod is getting at with regards to play style, but to me it just looks like that; a play style. After this second (or third) reading I do suspect Ichabod a little less, though.

So really, Brick still looks like the best lynch to me. Like Gazglum says, it's the best case of a bad lot.

A couple of comments on Brick.

The whole point of my first post is that in the last 2 games I played in, I ended up becoming highly paranoid of you and within the first day or two, ended up publishing a magnum opus where I've convinced myself and try to convince others that you're a wolf, even though both times we ended up being village. So that's why I made that joke post, I was joking at what seems to happen as of late when we play together.

The wording here strikes me as odd. Why emphasize that "we" ended up being village? It looks like a backdoor way of saying that "everytime I do this, I am town". Not exactly a smoking gun, but it just stands out a bit.

So there's no reason for me to overreact really. Am I mad that votes are piling on me? Well, of course I am. But just getting upset about it isn't going to help us out at all, it would just cause more drama and distract from a proper hunt on the wolves.

Also, the above passage just looks very fake. Then he goes from that into a sudden explosive outrage, after Lewwyn understandably calls him out for "forced nonchalance". It seems a bit abrupt how he went from one end of the emotional spectrum to the other, with no signs of minor indignation and exasperation in between.

So his story is apparently that he tried to stay calm and objective because that's what's best for town, but then lost his temper when Lewwyn poked him. It could be true, but it could also be that he's a wolf who thought staying calm and keeping his cool would be the best way to shrug off the early votes, waiting for them to disperse naturally.

As a fallback candidate, I guess I'd still consider Gazglum. If Brick is innocent, then I think Gazglum's post here is a bit wolfish (just quoting the first sentence):

Don't be so downhearted Brick.

In that post, he's pushing him gently and gallantly towards the gallows. I could see myself making a similar post if I were scum.

[zakalwe]

Don't get too mad Brick. If you're guilty, and I'm less convinced of that than Lewwyn is, then c'est la guerre. If you're innocent, then I know how frustrating it can feel, but that's how the game rolls. And at the moment it feels worse because we're in a little three-man echo chamber. I agree that it would be good to wait and let the others chime in at this point, especially Jkaen and Tasunke.

Here's another such post where Gazglum is consoling Brick. This is of course a very nice and well-intended post if Gazglum is innocent, but it's also a tempting post to make as scum. You earn points for being reasonable, and you also want to calm your victim down, so he goes quietly. As scum, you're always a little worried that if he gets too worked up, he may be able to wriggle off the hook. Actually, Gazglum is outright telling Brick to stay quiet, here. I would have preferred to hear more from him, if possible.

Ok, I'm torn. I'll give Brick some breathing room for now, and see how Gazglum responds.

[Ichabod]

Ichabod, can you explain your case on Slowcheetah in a bit more detail? The inability to filter the thread on poster is very annoying, it's making it hard to check up on people's theories.

I'm not investing much time in this game, so don't expect much in terms of cases. Slowcheetah timings and reactions fit with scum for me. The reactive first posts, the change that happened once I said my case (he was more quiet), the attack on me (which wasn't just after my case, as to not be seen as a revenge vote) and him keeping his vote on me when it's meaningless.

Zakalwe's post against BRick is pretty good. I have the same feeling that his play is very scummy and it seems a bit too much. I'd vote for him and I'll probably do if he's against Azza, but I'm a bit afraid that BRick was mislynched loads of times. Maybe something in his way of play is just inherently scummy (like Rowain, for example).

Good points about Gazglum too. The friendly posts are characteristic to Gazglum, I think. So I'll let it slide for now.