I'd say cut 'Also' and just write 'Thanks for agreeing to the NAP extension to T200.
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Rephrase that so it looks like the NAP is directly related to it, so that there accepting the gift, shows their acceptance, and if they challenge it then we don't lose a bargaining chip.
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Agreed with Q.
"All right, we'll take the marble for 10 turns from T165 and the NAP extension to 200... that will fit some of our builds quite nicely."
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(March 3rd, 2012, 21:07)antisocialmunky Wrote: Civilization Economics: You have 1 Cow. You build some pastures around it to feed your people. The population grows uncontrollably. You enslave everybody and work half of them to death. (May 26th, 2013, 15:17)Sisu Wrote: Agreed with Q. I think assuming the T200 NAP in conversation with them is a mistake: - CFC is not going to take the deal. Period. - This lets them know that we're expecting them on T175: why not let them think they've fooled us?
They're not going to take the deal, but us presenting it this way means they have to either de-facto accept it, or start conversing about it.
Leading on from that, we could emphasise this with something like "We're assuming that the previous NAP conditions apply? (No-espionage, no RoP to enemies etc.)" Quote:"All right, we'll take the marble for 10 turns from T165 and the NAP extension to 200... that will fit some of our builds quite nicely."I think we want to phrase this like T165 is inconveniant, and we're only accepting it as part of the NAP - so cut the end off completely.
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Again I don't care about the marble even slightly. However, they intentionally ignored the NAP. I think it'll be wise to call them on that.
Caledorn did send me a chat message, but it was something like 5AM my time, so I definitely was not around. I think I'm going to need to catch him that way. He just hasn't been on chat all that much recently. Really, I think the best way to go is to just be a little pushy about the NAP thing and see how he reacts. Not in a rude way, but don't allow him to deflect - we just sent them a message asking for a NAP extension and a WEEK later they responded (and ignored it), so he can't claim he doesn't know how his team feels like he usually does.
Lets forget about that damn marble! Lets just state that we take it on T145 or T165, whatever the team here decides. The NAP is the interesting part, lets keep asking them about it and force them to react!
Meanwhile, let's put full focus on our own war plans, keep folloeing graphs and make sure we are ready for a dogpile. With open borders it's not like CFC can do some kind of surprise attack if we let a sentry chariot or whatever hang out within their borders. Just like the Germans did (on purpouse or not).
The reason we don't do that is that the marble is a strong bargaining chip we can use.
Erebus in the Balance - a FFH Modmod based around balancing and polishing FFH for streamlined competitive play.
(May 26th, 2013, 16:48)Qgqqqqq Wrote: The reason we don't do that is that the marble is a strong bargaining chip we can use. It really isn't. There are no sanctions in the deal, and they've followed the deal anyway. We can't threaten to throw the deal out the window since we actually want to extend the NAP part of it. We can only complain and come across as weak when CFC tell us to suck it. We've established that CFC don't want to be friends. Let's just ask for the marble on t165 - when we DOW the germans on t150 we can still pretend that a t165 marble gift from CFC will be useful for us, and that we weren't just posturing. Then we can negotiate for a NAP extension in a normal, businesslike manner.
I have to run.
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